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Contra Sola Scriptura:
To refuse to follow the Fathers, not holding their declaration of more authority than one’s own opinion, is conduct worthy of blame, as being brimful of self-sufficiency.
Basil Epistle 52.1
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@BruceSaiFun @GodLogic_GL @belle_liuu Vol. 2, p. 1136: shamela.ws/book/18612/1178
Vol.2, p. 1137: shamela.ws/book/18612/1179
Bruce Lee in the flesh 👊
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When @GodLogic_GL and @belle_liuu said Ibn Qayyim said that Bukhari said there's no corruption of the text and that al-Razi also holds to the same opinion.
They were 100% right, source here:
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@EverInquiring @IslamicApex You’re very clearly trying to lie on the meaning of pais in Deuteronomy 22, by saying it doesn’t mean child in this verse when the lexicon refutes you.
What have I misunderstood? It’s either you believe pais in the verse means child or you don’t..
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Christians ALWAYS claim that Deuteronomy 22:28-29 isn’t about child rape. Why don’t you take a look at this 😉
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@0ANONYMOUS001 @IslamicApex You could have atleast tried to read what I argued instead of just restating what is in question
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@EverInquiring @IslamicApex All that just to lie about the Bible.
If you check the lexicon of the word pais, it’ll give you the specific meaning under which chapter or verse the word is used. In Deuteronomy 22, the word refers to a child.
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@SHADS000 @IslamicApex Could you bring any church father saying this verse is talking specifically about children?
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@EverInquiring @IslamicApex Well you can argue that with your chruch fathers
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@IslamicApex The Septuagint even switches between pais and neanis, meaning “young woman” or “maiden,” for the same female in Deuteronomy 22:23–29. So pais clearly is not being used there in the narrow sense of “little child.”
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@IslamicApex Compare Deuteronomy 1:39, where little children are described as not knowing good from evil, and Isaiah 7:15–16, where a child has not yet learned to reject evil and choose good.
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@EverInquiring @kurotsuchiiiiii @miawliki Also every single scholar cites physical and mental maturity. If a girl doesn't have those than there is no consumation
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it's reported from the tabi'is, uthman al-batti and ibn shubrumah, that they prohibited underage girls (saghirah) being married absolutely; whether she "consents" or not (bada'i al-sana'i 2/240)
there is no ijma' on this and anyone who claims an ijma' is simply wrong.
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@moonlighba3e You have no argument. There is consensus among all four madhabs that a father can marry off his daughter without her consent before she hits puberty. Cope and stop trying to change our religion
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@steve_john65502 @kurotsuchiiiiii @miawliki I know, the problem is how ur scholars have understood that principle with them allowing intercourse way before puberty. Do you want more evidence they allowed it way before or are you granting that?
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@EverInquiring @kurotsuchiiiiii @miawliki islam explicitly operates under the no harm principle if the consummation causes harm then it is not to be done until later
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@Guggenhe1m @scrump_scooby @UncYoda Dont ask me why they named it Encyclopedia of jurisprudence its an Encyclopedia of ijma here is the link. I just didnt want to translate all that and make my own img.
shamela.ws/book/32535/1733
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@EverInquiring @scrump_scooby @UncYoda You didn't show an encyclopedia of ijma. You showed an encyclopedia of jurisprudence. Those are two different things. Given that you cant distinguish, you also cant comprehend why my point about ijma stands. You're unaware of usul al fiqh and ijma, and can't understand the point
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@Guggenhe1m @scrump_scooby @UncYoda First you argued there couldn't be ijma because of dissent. Now that Ive shown the encyclopedia of ijma classifying it as ijma, ur saying theres no agreement on what ijma even is. Those are two different arguments. The rhetoric is not gonna save you it just looks embarrassing
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@Guggenhe1m @scrump_scooby @UncYoda Can you stick to the point? Nobody disagrees this is talking about betrothal/contract and the discussion isnt whether she gets a choice when she has matured. Obv im not gonna answer irrelevant points
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@Guggenhe1m @scrump_scooby @UncYoda Dude that Aisha narration is not part of the conclusion it was in the context of the page before. You just asserting dissent proves theres no consensus is what is in question dude. Can you address their argumentation as for why they are not counted as legitimate dissent?
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@EverInquiring @scrump_scooby @UncYoda Aishas definition is not source of law
Dissent proves there's no consensus
This ruling is about betrothal, which most agree can be at any age
Hadith says betrothed woman has final say before marriage
Quran acknowledges socially determined age of sexual capability
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@kurotsuchiiiiii @miawliki I actually do disagree with what you quote tweeted, her pubescence and consent is not needed. One of the many proofs for this the scholars allowing it even before 9 when islamically she cant be pubescent nor can consent.
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