Erick Welsh

@rickpiedade @MontyLions @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft Proof that we go to the same place that I don't know about.

@Ewelsh16 @MontyLions @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft Proof you're not?

Jesus Christ is King

@rickpiedade @MontyLions @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft Proof?

@Ewelsh16 @MontyLions @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft Lol I'm good man. We're going to the same place when we die. You just don't know it.

@rickpiedade @MontyLions @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft Again, every person is fallen in Adam and are sinful by nature. God is not unjust when He takes life, He is the creator. You hate justice, therefore you hate God. Justice will one day be poured out on you. Call upon Christ and be saved.

@Ewelsh16 @MontyLions @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft what sin has a baby in the womb commited that dies?

@rickpiedade @MontyLions @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft Sin demands justice. We deserve earthquakes. People's search histories would be enough to prove that.

@MontyLions @Ewelsh16 @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft A god that has the power to end suffering but doesn't. A god that surely has the power to stop earthquakes from killing thousands of people, but doesn;t because sin or whatever. Bonkers cult.

@MontyLions @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft Read Romans 1:18-32 and Romans 5. There is a disconnect somewhere here that im having a hard time explaining, I guess.

@Ewelsh16 @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft Ok yeah not sure what else to say here. If your grandfather was convicted of murder and the police took you to jail as well, you would hire a lawyer and fight it. You would not surrender and spend the rest of your life in prison for something you didn’t do.

@MontyLions @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft Again you assume innocence. Your grandfather is a murderer, so are you in this scenario.

@Ewelsh16 @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft I understand your point, but you don’t actually believe what too are saying. If you grandfather murdered someone, should you face jail time for it? You are making an argument that you should. You don’t believe that. A god that can stop all suffering and chooses not to is immoral

@MontyLions @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft Respectfully, I think you're missing my point entirely. I'm not making a 1 to 1 comparison, I'm comparing the relationship. If your parents sin it affects their children. If people sin it affects animals as well. The parent fell so children fell, and what they keep and tend fell.

@Ewelsh16 @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft Comparing a human to animals is also pretty wild in this context. Should we eat humans for food just like we do animals? Obviously not, they are different, so why are you comparing them here? I think you don’t have answers so you just pivot to “god is good” and meaningless word

@MontyLions @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft I'm not comparing a parent to God. I'm comparing a parent and child to mankind and animals. God is holy and good, people are not. Since He's good, He's just and sin must be paid for. We don't like justice. The real question you should be asking is, why is there any good at all?

@Ewelsh16 @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft You can’t compare a parent to “God”. Your god is supposed to be all powerful and moral and can stop any suffering at any time. A parent cannot do the same. I reject your comparison and your reasoning. You still need to explain why animals must suffer.

@MontyLions @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft Yes. It makes perfect sense they were made for us to keep and tend. We fall, they fall. Parents make bad decisions and it affects children who are far more important than animals, but I digress. It's not about evidence, if it was you'd believe. It's about our hatred for God.

@Ewelsh16 @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft So because humans sinned, animals must suffer? That makes no sense. There is no evidence for any god, and there is no good reason to believe in a god other than “I don’t know how we got here, therefore god”

@MontyLions @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft Absolutely, it all goes back to those two passages that I've already shared with you. WE could have ensured no suffering for animals and people but WE didn't. Now we can't which is why we need to be saved, hence Christ. I'd be happy to talk about whatever passage you want.

@Ewelsh16 @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft There is no good reason. A god who could ensure no suffering and chooses to do it anyways, especially to animals who cannot sin, is an evil god. Do you want to pull up some horrible passages from the Bible and talk about those?

@_Henn_Dawg1 @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft The greatest contention, not just with Judaism but the whole unbelieving world is over who Christ is and what He's done. God in the flesh who died on the cross for the sins of His people, his righteousness for their unrighteousness and He rose from the dead on the 3rd day.

@Ewelsh16 @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft I thought the whole point of contention with Judaism that Christians have was was about believing in His resurrection? As for your second point, that’s fair!

@_Henn_Dawg1 @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft 1. Absolutely. It's Paul's argument in Galatians 3. Anyone who trusted in Christ, even the shadows of Him in the OT by faith are God's people. 2. Paul was inspired just like everyone else who contributed to scripture 2 Peter 1:21 and 3:16. It wasn't God dictating, but inspiring.

@Ewelsh16 @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft Was it possible to be Christian before Christ died? I thought it was just an offshoot of Judaism By direct interpretation do you think it was Gods direct word to Paul, or do you think Paul took Christ’s teachings and interpreted them his own way

@_Henn_Dawg1 @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft For your first question, he does not change the original teachings of Christ at all. Which is actually a testament because he didn't become a Christian until after Christ died, unlike the apostles that were there during his ministry. What do you mean by direct interpretation?

@Ewelsh16 @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft And you believe he didn’t change any of the original teachings of Jesus? It was a direct interpretation?

@_Henn_Dawg1 @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft The Holy Spirit through the apostle Paul

@Ewelsh16 @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft Who wrote Romans 1:18-32?

@MontyLions @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft The point is that it's not for no reason. Did you read those passages? You're assuming innocence in mankind, something most atheists don't do unless they are attacking God.

@Ewelsh16 @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft A god who allows others to suffer for no reason is no god that deserves to be worshipped. Fortunately, there is no god so it’s all irrelevant

@Bruhwtflol69420 @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft They were cursed because of us. If there is any guilt for the suffering of non humans, regardless of it being malicious or passive, we need but to look in the mirror.

@Ewelsh16 @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft If we all sin and suffering is rooted from that sin how do you account for suffering of things that can’t sin😭

@Bruhwtflol69420 @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft Not at all. What made you think that?

@Ewelsh16 @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft Are you trying to insinuate non humans sin?

@blvtie @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft 👊

@Ewelsh16 @rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft Great answer 🙏🏻

@rickpiedade @AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft It does. When you understand sin then you see wars and suffering as justice. The only folks that see a problem with the existence of God and the reality of pain and suffering is if they somehow see innocence in mankind. Read Romans 1:18-32 and 3:10-20 it explains all mankind.

@AugustusBurp @TuckerKraft does that include wars and suffering?

@TuckerKraft Amen