
"Right after I conducted a big investigation into Chinese breaches, highlighting the extensiveness of it, I coined this phrase that there are two types of companies: those that know that they've been hacked and those that don't yet know" (8:54). Listen to the full conversation with @DAlperovitch on #ShiftingGround, an #OrbisJournal podcast. @NunnSchoolGT buff.ly/NMmNXwu

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