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@chefG2013_ @Inhumansoflate1 This retard is simply incorrect though
Hamas won the 2006 elections and tried to do exactly that (and have provided many social services to Palestinians through community organising before which is 1 of the reasons why they won those elections)
You clowns know nothing about this
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@Inhumansoflate1 You do realize that it’s possible to criticize hamas and still be against Israel and its genocide of Palestinian, right? It’s like folks who are critical of the Iranian regime but also don’t want the US/ Israel to wage an illegal and unjust war on Iran… like ?
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@FCHPolitics @ComieC @ZacB_MN @EmmanuelIr36521 Why were the Gaza envelope settlements founded you clown. After what event
On what land were they founded
For what purpose.
It’s the same thing. They still serve that very purpose as 2018 showcased most evidently
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@FSNJ0seph @ComieC @ZacB_MN @EmmanuelIr36521 No it's not the same because there is a difference between a German who moves to Poland during the Polish genocide, and a Jew who lives near Gaza just because they were born there because their grandparents settled there
A German born in Poland is different from a German settler
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Leftists will look you dead in the eye and tell you defending this is not anti-semitic

gato fumador@KweenInYellow
@ZacB_MN So do you just not know what antisemitism is
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@FSNJ0seph @ComieC @ZacB_MN @EmmanuelIr36521 Where and when did Deif order Hamas not to kill civilians
I have never heard of that
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@FCHPolitics @ComieC @ZacB_MN @EmmanuelIr36521 Again not at all a comparable analogy. They are within a colonial frontier that massacres Palestinians who get too close and enforces a suffocating blockade that induced a humanitarian crisis pre October 7
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@FSNJ0seph @ComieC @ZacB_MN @EmmanuelIr36521 Should all Germans have left Germany during WW2 in protest against the Holocaust? Should all white Americans leave America in protest of the Amerindian genocide?
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@FCHPolitics @EmmanuelIr36521 @PalmiroCreedon @JedDoubleO @ComieC @ZacB_MN No lol this is just nonsensical
These people wanted liberation from their colonisers. The coloniser mindset is a racist and brutal one that leads to resistence motivated by a desire for basic dignity and sustenance.
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@FCHPolitics @ComieC @ZacB_MN @EmmanuelIr36521 No
It’s more like if a German settler in generalplan ost moved into a cleansed polish village that was positioned as part of a colonial frontier that surrounded a polish enclave where dispossessed poles were living in camps and ghettos in systemic poverty and destitution
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@FSNJ0seph @ComieC @ZacB_MN @EmmanuelIr36521 So if a German civilian lived close to the border with Poland during WW2, are those German civilians automatically supporting the genocide of Poles just because they live right by the border with Poland?
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@FSNJ0seph @ComieC @ZacB_MN @EmmanuelIr36521 "Why do they still live in these settlements?"
Cause they were born there??
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@FCHPolitics @ComieC @ZacB_MN @EmmanuelIr36521 Those are not targeted attacks against children.
Those members were disobeying the literal orders as given by Muhammad deif and acting totally on their own impetus
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@FSNJ0seph @ComieC @ZacB_MN @EmmanuelIr36521 Members of "the resistance" have killed children as you admitted
As far as I remember Hamas also killed Israeli children in suicide bombings in the 1990s-2000s
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@FCHPolitics @EmmanuelIr36521 @PalmiroCreedon @JedDoubleO @ComieC @ZacB_MN Then why does it happen so often do you think. Why in the American frontier, Australian frontier, Algeria, Indonesia, Vietnam etc and now Palestine ?
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@FSNJ0seph @EmmanuelIr36521 @PalmiroCreedon @JedDoubleO @ComieC @ZacB_MN No it's not inevitable it is possible to resist and liberate yourself without lashing out against civilians. There is literally no reason why it would be impossible to resist without killing civilians.
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@FCHPolitics @ComieC @ZacB_MN @EmmanuelIr36521 And outposts i might add.
It was just 5yrs before october7 where over 10000 Palestinians were injured by idf soldiers positioned in the very frontier attacked on october7 who shot at the legs, kneecaps, torsos of Palestinians protesting overhwelmingly peacefully.
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@FCHPolitics @ComieC @ZacB_MN @EmmanuelIr36521 They literally still serve the same purpose lol. Why the fuck do their inhabitants still live in these settlements metres away from where thousands of Palestinians are shot and maimed instantly for even approaching the fence. Whilst enforcing a blockade and crawling with bases
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@FCHPolitics @ComieC @ZacB_MN @EmmanuelIr36521 Nobody supports killing children i have no clue what people you are talking about
The resistence do not kill children though.
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@FSNJ0seph @ComieC @ZacB_MN @EmmanuelIr36521 I'm surprised to hear that because you're literally the first pro-Hamas person I've encountered (and I've encountered many) who has condemned the killing of Israeli civilians by Hamas members. Every other pro-Hamas person I've encountered has justified it or refused to condemn it
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@FCHPolitics @EmmanuelIr36521 @PalmiroCreedon @JedDoubleO @ComieC @ZacB_MN lol this is just untrue though the attacks on pied noir were a huge factor
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@FSNJ0seph @EmmanuelIr36521 @PalmiroCreedon @JedDoubleO @ComieC @ZacB_MN I don't think massacring French civilians helped lead to Algerian independence. They either defeated the French military or they wore the French military out. Killing civilians doesn't help you win the war. The Hutus killed 800,000 Tutsis in 1994 and the Tutsis still won the war
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@FCHPolitics @EmmanuelIr36521 @PalmiroCreedon @JedDoubleO @ComieC @ZacB_MN Or is it that every single one of these groups/movements/peoples are just irrational maniacs
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@FCHPolitics @EmmanuelIr36521 @PalmiroCreedon @JedDoubleO @ComieC @ZacB_MN Do you not think the fact that these civilian settler deaths seem to occur across time and space in several anti colonial contexts makes them inevitable as a lashing out/ reaction from the colonised after facing far far worse brutality by their oppressors?
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@FCHPolitics @ComieC @ZacB_MN @EmmanuelIr36521 These kibbutzim are literally colonial frontier defence outposts. Do you know how they were built, what purpose they were built for and how they were all effectively militarised?
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@FSNJ0seph @ComieC @ZacB_MN @EmmanuelIr36521 Shootings of civilians occurred in MULTIPLE kibbutzim not just one - which suggests to me that it was systematic
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@FCHPolitics @ComieC @ZacB_MN @EmmanuelIr36521 This is untrue. Yahya Sinwar himself expressed regret at the chaotic violence that ensued on the day in private messages ironically leaked by the pro Israel WSJ
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@FSNJ0seph @ComieC @ZacB_MN @EmmanuelIr36521 Sure but Hamas was the leader of the operation and was responsible for the majority of the killing. Hamas could have stopped the other Gazan gangs and militias from doing what they did but chose not to
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@FCHPolitics @ComieC @ZacB_MN @EmmanuelIr36521 well yes its obviously unjustified to kill children even in anti colonial contexts. I wont condemn the entire movement or struggle due to this however.
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@FSNJ0seph @ComieC @ZacB_MN @EmmanuelIr36521 So your stance is that the individual Hamas fighters who chose to kill Israeli children were wrong and unjustified?
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@FCHPolitics @EmmanuelIr36521 @PalmiroCreedon @JedDoubleO @ComieC @ZacB_MN Algerian indepndence happened due to that very struggle. DO you oppose or support it.
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@FSNJ0seph @EmmanuelIr36521 @PalmiroCreedon @JedDoubleO @ComieC @ZacB_MN I'm pro-Algerian independence from French oppression. I just don't get why the FLN killed thousands of French civilians, that indicates they were very immoral. France was still definitely the worse side of that war and it's better that Algeria became independent
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