Xenotemos

@lizzie_xenon @Ragebait024 @Dashytwo I would. Its good protein.

@Ragebait024 @Fikimoner @Dashytwo Where

what do you mean “stealing” thats HIS food????

Your argument is hand-wavy and fails to align with any philosophical or scientific explaination on the matter. Information has deep physical roots (thermodynamics, entropy, quantum information theory). Landauer’s principle shows erasing information has a minimum energy cost. Black hole thermodynamics, holographic principles, and quantum info theories treat information as fundamental or at least as real as energy/matter. Brains and computers both deal in physical states that carry information. Calling it "made up" dismisses the entire field of information physics. Your description isn't "an approximation"—it's a high-level but accurate abstraction that works for prediction and engineering. And consciousness doesn't "need" to exist. You could achieve evolutionary success without ever developing a complex brain structure to emerge it. Many theories (global workspace, integrated information, predictive processing) explain consciousness as arising from specific kinds of information processing/integration in embodied systems

@Fikimoner @lucasmeijer I'm glad you've convinced yourself. But it doesn't. Information is a made up thing that humans invented. Whatever you're describing is an approximation. Computers, conversely, are designed to operate on information. That's why they're about 1% efficient. They waste "information".

Everybody who thinks ai is conscious has to do a mandatory from scratch transformer implementation. There are only floats and multiplications.

It recieves inputs, transforms information according internal rules/states, stores/modifes patterns and produce outputs. Thats the definition of "computer". The only distinction being that the brain is on the carbon based substrate and operates with electrochemical signals rather than what the typical CPU does. Its organismic, but still a computer nonetheless.

@Fikimoner @lucasmeijer Brains are not computers.

@glitteringvoid @lucasmeijer It could be achieved with today's technology, but moral standards would disagree. Probably why it isnt published even if achieved. Today's LLMs are not conscious though, they work more like the linguistic centers of the brain without the rest of the complexity lile hormones etc.

@Fikimoner @lucasmeijer you said it in a much shorter way 🤔 x.com/glitteringvoid…

You dont need contamination and immense pressure like for nuclear fusion for consciousness. Its computation. Its the arbitrary systems of a wetware ontology working in tandem, interacting with each other and asserting states; emitting/processing signals. Thats all your brain does. I personally work on a project to achieve that. Every system from hormones, reinforcement, endocrine systems under limbic kernels to linguistic/expressive systems are coded, just like how you are coded by genetics and DNA. You'd be surprised at how accurate my physiological modulation is starting to get the more complexity i introduce in terms of diversity and depth.

@Fikimoner @MrSaneApps @lucasmeijer The prerequisites to make AI work are very difficult to create too. How can it be "easily recreated"? People have been trying hard for decades. We are only now getting it to work, we will probably have AI and fusion working in the same decade.

Thats not a valid argument. We can reproduce nuclear fusion, its just that the prerequisites at which it is produced are so extreme, it proves difficult. Consciousness on the other hand is compute. It can easily be recreated in other substrate given enough sophisticated systems are made to work in unison, assert self-sustaining processes and exist temporally. Your whole existence and reality is the result of your brain processing signals, which is compute by definition.

@MrSaneApps @Fikimoner @lucasmeijer We can't really reproduce nuclear fusion, even tho we understand perfectly well how it works and have been trying very hard for decades.

You already can. The fact that it hasnt been tried yet is "as far as you know", its a moral limitation and wouldn't be published. Anything relating consciousness and experience is impossible to prove, because they are subjective properties, and cannot be observed externally. Consciousness comes down to your brain's intrinsic systems interacting in a way that births it as an emergent item. Its not magic or something devoted to humans only.

@Fikimoner @lucasmeijer That’s an assertion without evidence. It’s clearly way more than that or else would could reproduce it at will. Which we cannot.

Its not conscious because it lacks the basic functional properties that emerges consciousness as a product. Its more like the linguistic/expressive centers of the human brain without the rest of the complexity like hormones, temporal dynamics and vice versa.

@Oluwa_Flavor2 Not possible without at least 5 years of consistent training unless you used PEDs

No gym No equipment Moved from This. To this in 2 months

@JORMUNGAND_rr Its just an indestructible ball that can go around the planet in almost relativistic speeds and not burn up into dust from the friction

The lack of coherent physics in this show has always bothered me.

@wiggerdisciple @hecubian_devil I see that the lack of neurons in your brain has rendered you unable to comprehend the basic idea behind that response.

@Fikimoner @hecubian_devil I said find me one that hasn't retard.

Jail immediately. Life sentence.

@wiggerdisciple @hecubian_devil Most things, regardless of the purpose it was developed for initially will be repurposed to be used in subjectively "evil" ways.

@Fikimoner @hecubian_devil Name a single instance of a technology not being used for evil. I'll literally wait.

@Thebestfigen Neural efficiency on a specific task is more important than muscle mass alone. Have these bodybuilders work this job for a month and they'll start carrying 10 at a time

The difference between muscles built to earn a living, and muscles built to show off.

@uncledoomer They dont detect these planes with vision or cameras. Radars and heat seekers exist. Most of the air combat is missiles and bombing

why would they not simply paint the bottom of the plane blue to camouflage it against the sky, and the top of the plane green to camouflage it against the ground?

@GetonTrightside @IterIntellectus Mars has no atmosphere? Mars has a solid core? Mars does have a liquid core, though not as actively convecting as earth's: and it has an atmosphere. Its one of the most terraform-compatible planets in our solar system. Do a bit of research.

@IterIntellectus Depends what you mean by terraform? You can't turn Mars's solid core into a liquid core, which is why Earth has an atmosphere and Mars doesn't. And why Earth is habitable, and Mars isn't.

it’s terrifying that people still don’t fully realize you can terraform planets

@IterIntellectus Terraforming a planet would roughly take a lifetime's amount of work if the right technology was used on a compatible planet.

@akinkunmi Training, maintaining and serving LLMs is very expensive, and certainly not very profitable. Its not sustainable which is probably why they don't invest in it

Or they suck at it because they don't have data. They're getting a custom Gemini model from Google to power Siri. I don't think there's any solid reason other than the fact that they suck at AI.