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Yasser
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Yasser
@Flaxs2K
بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ
Katılım Nisan 2019
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@Flaxs2K @Safawidme @dhibjecel Search his name after you learn how to read. Every muslim country in the world has people claiming Hashemite descent this is a common delusion.
pass me some of your shrooms. they sound good
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@Flaxs2K @dhibjecel @Safawidme What they said is far worse than what I replied with if he wasn’t such a superhero in their sight they wouldn’t be obsessed with him
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@9kzflm @dhibjecel @Safawidme Fear allah with your vulgar language. Darood was not a superhero. Even though I descend from him.
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@dhibjecel @Flaxs2K @Safawidme Somali African nigger. U need slavery again. Darood do not know you Africans.
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@birhetoric @Safawidme @dhibjecel Nobody says they’re Somali. They’re Arab from a hashemite lineage, and has nothing to do with egypt 😂😂😂
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@Flaxs2K @Safawidme @dhibjecel Somalis mixing with Arabs is indisputable however it’s not an ethno genesis. The figures you mentioned are clearly Egyptians of Somali descent.
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@Safawidme @dhibjecel You denied ismail al jabertis offsprings migrating into zeila. I cant quote the whole scan, but his descendents one of them having the lineage that goes through Ali ibn Abd Al-Rahman Al-Jabarti, after being in the horn, goes back to yemen, zabid.
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@Safawidme @dhibjecel Munazarat al-Khatalan wa Mustadrak ala al-Jawabayn by Abd al-Fattah Abu Ghuddah he says "The land of Jabart is the land of Zeila in the lands of Abyssinia (...) They follow only the schools of thought of Abu Hanifa and al-Shafi'i, and they trace their lineage back to AQIIL
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@ArabHorner @Safawidme @dhibjecel I knew he was ignorant, but he had an attitude, so i decided to show him what literature really says. You can check out my multiple responses under this comment. here
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@Safawidme @dhibjecel I know what i nisba is. Look, the nisba Al-jaberti denotes you being from zayla, which is why i asked the question Now, that it already flew over your head, i will dump it down for you a little bit, since you probably have not read up on the literature.
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@Flaxs2K @Safawidme @dhibjecel Akhi, you’re asking ignorant people serious questions. I’d advise you to stop this.
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@Flaxs2K @Safawidme @dhibjecel I never asked that, i said what does E-m35 haplogroup have to do with banu hashim descent? And show me proof that a lot of people that descended from banu hashim have E-M35
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@nanio123447 @Safawidme @dhibjecel Why would i compare with E-V32? it's too narrow to argue with, when dealing with a haplogroup that isn't as geographically concentrated.
Also, a lot of people from E-M35 descent from banu hashim, do you deny this, or what do you intend.
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@Flaxs2K @Safawidme @dhibjecel ok what does the haplogroups E-M35 have to do with claiming descent of Banu Hashim tho.
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@Safawidme @dhibjecel Great, so if E-M35 is consistent with darood lineage
and darood lineages claims at least one common shared ancestor, which is aqeel.
So as you admitted, the haplogroup is consistent, which E-V32 is under.
So the only thing we need to discuss is the historicity and not genetics
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@Flaxs2K @dhibjecel I have already answered your question E-M35 is consistent with Darood lineage as it is overwhelmingly dominant, J1 is inconsistent as the percentage varies. A question for you, what J1 marker do Daroods carry, what is the sub clade?
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@Safawidme @dhibjecel You didnt answer my question
Is E-M35 inconsistent with darood lineage, and is J1 consistent.
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@Flaxs2K @dhibjecel Yes the genetic data exists but look at the proportion, EV32 is dominant in all of somali men, more than 80%, J1 is a minority 2-10% and even then it depends on the location?
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@Safawidme @dhibjecel It has no relevancy for your argument, and in fact the whole "al-jabert" thing only strengthens my argument.
Do you think al-jabert, was pre or post al jabertis migration.
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@Flaxs2K @dhibjecel Where do you think Jabart was in? That is what I am asking you because Jabart is in the horn of Africa. How would they move into somali regions when the place exists in the horn of Africa? Jabart was a place, Jabarti is a regional name
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@Safawidme @dhibjecel Continue under here
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@Safawidme @dhibjecel Before delving into this I have some question for you. 1) Do you deny that Al jaberti’s offsprings migrated to Somalia. 2) do you see J1 as a haplogroup what would be consistent with a Darood lineage, and E-M35 as something that would be inconsistent
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@Flaxs2K @dhibjecel To be called chat gpt is a praise lmao🫶🫶, I dont use generative ai at all. I have a question for you where was Jabart? Where did the highland Abyssinian Jabartis originate from. Because they do exist
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@Safawidme @dhibjecel This looks like a way ChatGPT would formulate an argument against lineage, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt.
Though there is no reason to engage in this particular argument.
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@Flaxs2K @dhibjecel 2) The name Darod itself is cushitic meaning the builder. Again there is a phenomenon called Ennoblement and Social Status Construction, this eerily reflects the solominic claim of the ruling class of Abyssinians
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@Safawidme @dhibjecel Before delving into this I have some question for you.
1) Do you deny that Al jaberti’s offsprings migrated to Somalia.
2) do you see J1 as a haplogroup what would be consistent with a Darood lineage, and E-M35 as something that would be inconsistent
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@Flaxs2K @dhibjecel 1)The strongest argument comes in form of genetic testing. Y chromosomal(paternal dna) testing, where the result shows that the vast majority of Somali men across all major clan families (including Darod, Hawiye, and Isaaq) belong to the E-V32 subclade of the E1b1b haplogroup.
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@Safawidme @dhibjecel Clearly not what I was insinuating.
I would just like to see what arguments you have, whether they are historical or genetical.
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@Flaxs2K @dhibjecel ?? I do not center my page on Qabiil walaal. I study genealogy, linguistic and anthropological truths. I still want to be critical of history while respecting oral traditions. I would be a hypocrite if I didn't respect both. I do not do Qabiils because I can be misinformed
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