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@sgreum @FoxfordComics Also no evidence the javanese attempted to colonise Aust, although trade was likely. Anyway you so called evidence is very flimsy. Explorers used to produce maps. Where was zhengs maps of northern Australia. I read a book on Zhengyears ago and it’s claims were spurious.

Yes. Apart from all the evidence of pre-European contact with Australia that I and others posted including at least seven points of evidence that Zheng He likely contacted Australia there's absolutely zero evidence that the Chinese ever contacted Australia before the Portuguese. Cool story bro.

Always hilarious to me that China and India didn't even know this massive continent in their backyard. And then some English dude from the other side of the world just came along and yoinked it.

@sgreum @FoxfordComics You cited no evidence of zheng making it to Australia.

@GGLStyles13 @pegasius01 Fuck me, didn’t realise I was communicating with a harry styles fangirl faggot. There’s all the credibility lack you’ll ever see.

@GGLStyles13 @pegasius01 It was great until the last 4 seasons. Anyway fuck iff with your typo nitpicking you anal retentive flog.

No series surpasses Game of Thrones; I find myself returning to rewatch it time and again, feeling a sense of nostalgia.

@sgreum @FoxfordComics That’s just a massive assumption. Heard of it maybe, came here, extremely unlikely.

Fair warning, I'm going to go long here. The facts deserve it, but I'll summarise it as much as I can. Starting off, true, his account was probably full of holes and exaggerations, that was par for the course with ancient and medieval histories. The idea he reached the Americas? That he circumnavigated the globe? Probably misunderstandings of translators or fantastical tales. However, there are historical and archaeological facts that show at least a significant portion is true, particularly about his journeying around the Indian Ocean and the island kingdoms north of Australia. Let's look at the evidence: 1. China traded with Rome along the Silk Road from about 30 BC and had probably heard of the Greeks via the Bactrian kingdoms established by Alexander the Great and the Persians with whom they traded as early as 110 BC. 2. They were also trading by sea from about the second century BC as well. Though this was more controlled by other maritime kingdoms such as the Malaccans, but it's impossible that sailors did not tell stories of fantastic kingdoms to the west. In fact, a cache of 4th century Roman coins turned up in southern Japan recently that probably reached there by trade so we know that in the real world there were goods flowing east and west as well as spices from the Islands and goods north/south to and from China. These trade routes existed until the mid 1400s. Well into Zheng He's lifetime. 3. In 97 AD a Chinese general attempted to send an embassy to Rome but they were dissuaded by the Parthians and turned back. About a century later the son of a Roman emperor did reach China (c.166AD) and then two more missions about fifty years later. The Byzantines established diplomatic contact with China in the 7th century. That lasted right up to the fall of Constantinople. 4. Between around 900-1000 AD some Javans attempted to colonise Australia but by the middle of the 11th century they had vanished and it was not attempted again. That's the background to all this. The Chinese were travelling far and wide and were in contact with the West, India, South East Asia, and the Malay peoples long before Zheng He's journeys. Zheng He's father and grandfather along with other Muslims under Chinese dominion made the pilgrimage to Mecca from ancient times. So they did travel very long distances. On to Zheng He. 1. There are old stories from the Arabian peninsula that match Zheng He's records. So he almost certainly reached that far west. Being a Muslim, that was probably a priority for him as well. 2. There's a tablet in Colombo, Sri Lanka, that was brought as part of his journeys. So he certainly did reach as far west as China. 3. Chinese pirates were operating quite far south into the seas of the Austronesian islands north of Australia and so were Chinese traders. 4. He did very likely reach kingdoms such as Java who had had contact with Australia centuries before him. So he would have heard of this mysterious land to the south. His purpose was trade and diplomacy, probably to encourage royalty and nobles of other lands to pay homage to the Ming emperors, so I doubt he would have passed up the opportunity to find yet another kingdom that he could establish trade with and increase the prestige of China. Of course upon reaching Australia depending on where he landed, he would have found endless tracts of stony deserts, barren mountainous regions, crocodile infested swamps, or crocodile infested tropical jungle. There were no civilised kingdoms, just stone age barbarians who had little to trade and no kings or princes to bend the knee to Zheng He's emperor. I have little doubt that he reached Australia at least once, that he found nothing of value to China and never returned. Given the historical facts of Chinese trade as far as Rome 2100 years ago and the archaeological evidence, it's quite unreasonable to say he could never have found Australia.

@mcgmouton57 @georgegalloway And what about the 4 to 5 hundred thousand who died when the US carpet bombed Manilla to remove a small Japanese garrison force. The once beautiful city changed forever.

5/3/1946 The International Military Tribunals for the Far East begins hearing the case in Tokyo, Japan, against 28 Japanese military and government officials accused of committing war crimes and crimes against humanity in WWII. The Tokyo trial was different from the Nuremberg trials in that there was only 1 prosecutor, American Joseph P. Keenan. However, other nations, especially China contributed to the proceedings that was ruled over by an Australian judge. The trial finally ended on Nov 4, 1948, with 25 of the 28 defendants found guilty. Of the other 3, two had died during the lengthy trial and one was declared insane. On Nov 12, 1948, death sentences were passed on 7 men, including General Hideki Tojo, who served as prime minister during the war, and Heitaro Kimura, who brutalized Allied POWs. Sixteen others were sentenced to life. Tojo and 6 others were executed in Tokyo on Dec 23, 1948. Additionally, in tribunals away from the central Tokyo trial 5,000 Japanese were found guilty of war crimes and 900 were executed. Even during war, you are judged by how you treat humanity. 🇺🇲 history.com/his-day-in-his…

@noplaceforsheep Bought her necklace off a bickie gang

And it’s all ugly 😵‍💫

@senatorbabet Hoplywood has been nothing but a propaganda machine for decades.

Once you start noticing the programming in movies, you can’t unsee it. Most people just absorb it without a second thought. Don’t think I’ve seen a positive piece of content from Hollyweird in 20 years.

@NickAUSGRIT @IanGill82421393 Fuck israel and the scum it spawned

Thousands Australians have died since WW1 to fight for the freedoms that this once brave country enjoyed. All it took was an illegal zionist lobby and the terrorist zionist genocidal state of Israel to compleyely strip those freedoms in months. Let that sink in.

@sgreum @FoxfordComics Zheng never made it to Australia. That account is so full of holes it reeks of propaganda.

The Chinese, Malays, Papuans, and Indonesians all knew Australia existed and even landed here a few times over the centuries. There's records in Java of the continent dating to at least the 10th century AD. There's also a record of a failed Indonesian settlement somewhere in what is now Western Australia. It's also believed that the great explorer Zheng He discovered Australia about a century before the Portuguese but after he died the Chinese emperor banned overseas travel and they never returned until gold was discovered in the 1800s. Also, there was a second wave of settlement from India about 2300 to 2000 BC that is believed to have introduced dogs from the sub-continent and added their DNA to the locals as well. Though Indian kingdoms had problems of their own to worry about in the form of the Mughals.

@MyFirstCousin Your logic is so flawed it doesn’t warrant a counter. Just pathetic

White Jews claiming Palestine is their traditional homeland is no different to white Australians claiming Australia is their traditional homeland.

@pegasius01 There were plenty of enjoyable moments, but only that. The script writing and overall story suffered tremendously without George there offering guidance. It ended up an incipient disaster and was nowhere near the height it should have been based on the build up. I ended up bog

@Flycienne See beyond those flaws and let yourself love the show

@Malcolm_Pal9 Does she cut her own her.?? Also fuck israel

Greta Thunberg demands the release of all members of the flotilla who were kidnapped by Israel in international waters.

@lady_valor_07 Looks like a failed abortion to me.

I bet 80 percent doesn’t know who this is.

@ThrillaRilla369 @MmisterNobody You’re a dickhead for even asking the question. Catch the fucking bus mate.

If a coworker has a car and lives near my house, and drives me to work every day, am I obligated to chip in for gas?

@Lord_Beesus To many indig it’s simply white cunt.

We need an Australian indigenous language term for whitey, “Pakeha” is such a goated word and it sucks we don’t have an equivalent

@GrumpyOLSoldier Albanese is a lying cunt

I can’t believe he says this. 🙄

@joodoz Bullshit

@MrTimothyParker @lady_valor_07 Classical conditioning, in the negative sense. Your dad was a backyard Pavlov.

@lady_valor_07 The reason I do not drink beer to this day is because my father let me have a shot when I was eight. I thought it was the worst drink ever made. Years later, he told me he let me drink it because he knew I would hate it. Wise man, my dad.

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