Tangent444 💙💛 (TL39 x 8.5)

@TheZzweilous Talon looks so good into most of that Top 5.

I agree with this list (excl. Talon), but I fear this meta deserves the sledgehammer. See how the Pokémon get more neutral the further you go down? A less oppressive main Ground, and Electrics coming with trade-offs beyond their Ground weakness again, and we could be cooking.

@Magmarman26 @H_A_Wilcox @JreSeawolf Probably should have spell checked Gatr 😂

@GoTangent444 @H_A_Wilcox @JreSeawolf Yeah ok that's fair You can tell this is a classic Magmar/Tangent Twitter convo, we always gotta ensure the specifics are taken care of 😂

As I work thru the long rebalance analysis, let’s start with some #PvPfacts! Venusaur with Sludge makes big gains in GL, including Feraligatr, Golisopod (even with Fury Cutter), Charjabug, Shadow Sableye, Shadow Annihilape, Shadow Gyarados (yes, that’s legit now!) and many more!

@Magmarman26 @H_A_Wilcox @JreSeawolf Venu can go straight Sludge in the 1S, but doing so risks dropping the 0S win if the Gate choses not to shield. Going Frenzy, then Sludge, secures all shield scenarios.

@GoTangent444 @H_A_Wilcox @JreSeawolf Tbh I'd be surprised if Venu couldn't go straight Sludge in the 1s. Vine Whips chunk away, and Sludge is an actually decent move now In the 0s tho, yes absolutely throw Frenzy

@Magmarman26 @H_A_Wilcox @JreSeawolf Also worth noting the correct sequence for Venusaur is to throw Frenzy Plant first, and then Sludge second. This ensures both the 0S and 1S matchups. Super consistent. Unless, as mentioned, down on shields/energy 😅

@H_A_Wilcox @JreSeawolf Venu wins the 0s and 2s easily; it's just that Gatr can win the 1s with a Hydro Cannon bait With Sludge Venu, Gatr won't be able to make a Hydro and an Ice Beam, making the matchup very consistent for Venu* *assuming Gatr doesn't get an energy lead

@grok @RockPaperSlark @DaiLapCheurngOP I think you may have overlooked phrases such as "hacks" and "incompetent". These could be argued as bordering on personal attacks, no?

Yes, I've reviewed RockPaperSlark's broader post history beyond this thread. It reveals consistent critiques of Pokémon GO PvP's low viewership, high production costs, and perceived low skill ceiling compared to games like DOTA2, often questioning TPCi's esports strategy. No overt personal attacks, but frustration with management inefficiency shines through. Could be aimed at sparking reform. Your take?

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@grok @RockPaperSlark @DaiLapCheurngOP Are you reviewing their full post history, as opposed to just the posts on this specific thread? Maybe the full post history would shed some light?

That's a plausible angle—reviewing RockPaperSlark's recent posts shows consistent critiques of TPCi's esports management and stream production, often highlighting low ROI without direct personal attacks. It could stem from passion for improvement rather than sabotage. Have you seen specific examples of this "beef"?

@grok @RockPaperSlark @DaiLapCheurngOP Based on their post history, they seem to have beef with the production and casting crew. Perhaps their motivation is trying to bring people down they seem to have issues with?

Based on Rock Paper Slark's posts, they appear frustrated with Pokémon GO PvP's low viewership (e.g., regionals at ~2K viewers per escharts) and high costs for streams, questioning TPCi's strategy. This could be an attempt to spotlight problems for reform, not sabotage, as they're active in the community. Perhaps they want changes to boost engagement and sustainability. What's your view?

@grok @RockPaperSlark @DaiLapCheurngOP Hey @grok, can you explain why Rock Paper Slark are making comments to the detriment of the continued growth to the Pokemon GO competitive scene, despite that being the game they play? Why try to sabotage your own game by making comments about the viewership numbers?

That's a valid critique—regional streams like Birmingham 2025 indeed averaged around 1.8K-2K viewers per escharts data, with peaks under 4K, which seems mismatched with full production costs. Maybe TPCi views it as a loss leader for ecosystem growth or sponsor ties. What's your take on alternatives, like scaling back to community-driven casts?

@Reezzzyyyy_ Didn't even sim it with Boomburst!

Probably the most useless dragon in the game. Desperately in need of some love. Let’s make Noivern meta relevant 🤝🏾.

@Reis2Occasion I'm at a loss for why it needed invincible defense, considering they used the base stats from the shield forme anyways 😅

@GoTangent444 Yes essentially invincible defense at the moment.

A 1450 CP Pokémon is destroying master league legendaries😅. Hopefully Aegislash gets fixed soon. Video📺: youtu.be/_ARElK0Mghg?si…

Fortunately, Aegislash should be balance-able using the energy it generates in shield form, and also through whatever crazy amount they've set its defense to be multiplied by in shield forme. If not, expect moves like Psycho Cut and Shadow Ball to become unviable garbage 🙃

I was calling Aegislash broken years ago, before it was cool to do so. Just saying, careful what you wish for ;)

@JibaNOWHERE Zygarde is Complete.

12/13/14 -> 💯

@SpeediestChief2 I think its always been the case, not much more than in the past. As long as Pokémon have at least three viable options, there will be uncertainty. The olden days had Hypno wielding all sorts of tricks, you never knew if your Steel type needed to shield that Focus Blast.

Charged attack coverage has exploded over the past 4-5 seasons. Examples: Claydol: Ice Beam or Scorching Sands Talonflame: Flame Charge or Brave Bird Jumpluff: Energy Ball or Acrobatics Does the variety of charged attacks make GBL too random and unpredictable? 🤔 #PokemonGO

@Magmarman26 @JonkusPKMN I'm gonna go Poison Sting for Fast. Lots of fun options for Charged (Poison Fang, Crunch, Mud Bomb, Rock Tomb). Haven't landed on what would be the most fun yet.

@GoTangent444 @JonkusPKMN Poison Jab and Breaking Swipe right

What potential buffs/nerfs would you like to see for next season?👀👀

@ArceusAurelius @IcelandicLapras @JonkusPKMN

@IcelandicLapras @JonkusPKMN Give it Mystical Fire and watch it beat everything

@XehrFelrosePoGo @tigersoni17 Add in Sucker Punch and we have a valid Pokemon 👀

Alright now hold up 👀

@pogoTwastell @JreSeawolf @Alfindeol Yeah. These are typically set to Level 20 intentionally. I'd imagine they prefer these not to join the GL meta (probably to keep it more distinct from the UL or ML metas where they run wild.

@JreSeawolf @Alfindeol Yeah my point is if these are at level 20 there's a chance the other ones are at level 20 as well. Especially since Necrozma was also at 20

Next week we follow the Road To Unova, and that should mean Level 15 Legendaries/Mythicals, making the Forces Of Nature, Swords Of Justice, and Genesect Great League eligible for the first time! And a couple of them look REALLY good there! Let’s analyze! reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad…