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@_SFTahoe the hazard area is not sterilized airspace, because the chances of a RUD “are low” they are designed for aircraft to fly they at a perpendicular angles in order to minimize the risk. Once the event happens then it becomes a safety problem. Hazard areas have shrunk over the years
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So why then would ground stops be announced at Miami? It isn’t along the path where the SpaceX debris fell. A few reasons:
1) Standard protocol. While ATC and the FAA verified that the debris did indeed fall as calculated, initially announcing a ground stop is a cautious choice. Airborne planes are given priority, those that are yet to takeoff are delayed. And the FAA and ATC verify there isn’t an unforeseen problem. (Don’t get caught out by this! If you hear your flight is ground stopped, stay in close proximity to the gate. Ground stops can be cancelled, or departure times moved up and the flight may depart earlier than the first delay time listed).
2) The many nations of the Caribbean Islands adds to the coordination required for ATC, and compresses available airspace to vector planes around the designated hazard zone. We have footage filmed in Turks & Caicos and Punta Cuna. Cuba was also close, and Puerto Rico. All have different governments in charge of their own airspace. Plus sovereign nations can have things like overflight permits (Cuba) or designated airspace entry points (Puerto Rico). The oceanic airspace in this area is controlled by the US. A few extra phone calls need to be made to coordinate the response.
3) Some of Miami’s charted arrival/departure procedures have corridors that extend to the South of the airport. These procedures are used to sequence planes out and into the airport. Planes would be rerouted to another arrival or departure on any other side of the airport. The same as would be done if a thunderstorm moved in to the south of the airports. This can lower the amount of planes that can land because they are being sequenced in over fewer arrivals, but still maintain the same separation distance from each other. This is mitigated by groundstops, delay vectors or holding. In an airport like Miami that deals with thunderstorms frequently extra time to account for
delays like this are included in the scheduled block time of the flight (which is longer than the actual flight time). So passengers can be delayed and often make their connection because they delay was about the average or less and expected.
Test flights are part of Space Exploration. The Apollo program began in the 1960s, decades ago. Stress testing a design means pushing it to its limit, and beyond. This is Rocket Science, but the protocol for launch hazard areas is far from new—and is well established.
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ALTITUDE MATTERS!
For Starship 7 Launch the FAA issued a NOTAM (Notice to Airmen) that specified the closed airspace area around the launch, and a broader warning area under Starship’s planned path. Starship 7’s rapid unscheduled disassembly occurred over the NOTAM’d WARNING area.
Why was this airspace not CLOSED to begin with?
EXPLOSION IN SPACE
Because SpaceX and the FAA calculate what Starship’s ALTITUDE will be along its path. Starship was in already in SPACE (~90 miles above the earth) when it exploded.
ROCKETS TRAVEL IN SPACE & AIRLINERS FLY IN THE ATMOSPHERE
Most airliners have a max service ceiling of 41,000 feet or ~7 miles above the earth. The explosion, while spectacular, posed no immediate danger to planes far, far below. It occurred more than 83 miles above them!
PLAN ACTIVATED
What happens next? SpaceX notifies the FAA of Starship 7´s rapid unscheduled disassembly, the FAA activates the warning area, & ATC follows normal procedures and vectors planes out of or around the Warning zone airspace—long before any debris could possibly fall to the altitude of a plane below. These calculations are done, and contingency plans made, in advance. The FAA doesn’t HOPE for the safety of the airliners, it KNOWS they will be safe, by DESIGN.
Anytime some airspace is restricted—TFRs can be issued for the President’s movement, the SuperBowl, Military airspace—it can create delays. Since this was NOTAM’d prior to the launch, airlines can choose to flight plan around the warning area, or carry extra contingency fuel to hold, or plan to divert if required. From a pilot’s perspective, this is the same type of contingency planning we do for weather, like thunderstorms. Today a few planes rerouted, a few held, a few experienced ground stops. To put it in context, a few DOZEN planes were effected today whereas the average Houston Thunderstorm, or a Presidential fundraiser typically create HUNDREDS of delays…
STUNNING VIDEOS!
The videos are attention getting and stunning. This video from the flight deck is my favorite! Lucky pilots, I’m so envious. But some are misinterpreting the videos (because people aren’t used to judging altitudes of objects, and to them it looks close). These space debris are MILES further away than they appear.
The FAA did its job. SpaceX followed protocol. SpaceX already identified the mechanical issue, and potential fix, allowing the cadence of launches to stay on track. @spacex @elonmusk
(Note: My apologies in advance for providing inconvenient facts that contradict false outrage).


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@marktwaalfhoven @_SFTahoe you are in correct that is under jurisdiction of Miami ARTCC, read a sectional chart for christ sakes
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@_SFTahoe The FAA does not have the right the close international airspace.
All the FAA can do is provide a warning or “NOTAM”
Notice to Air Men
or for the Woke of us
Notice to Air Mission
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@marc_benton I’m saying it’s an impressive accomplishment, amazing ROI.
Why he did it, it’s pretty obvious. I didn’t like either candidate.
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@Greg_SEC Do you honestly believe he did it for money? Like, REALLY?
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@cafeconlechebri lol, it would be more like to happen under Dipshit than Kamala. Fuckin fuck tards
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Hey @elonmusk and @realDonaldTrump you don’t think we see what you’re doing…fucking traitors. #fuckthesetraitors
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@spotted_model this is 100% an issue with their outlet wiring and not the charger. I also suggest the 3 prong tester. the fix is more complicated based on the wiring.
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Hey Turo friends, ever had this happen before? Guest picked my car up at 95%. Had driven Teslas before so was very familiar with them. All good with the pick up.
Two hours later he texted me asking me why the mobile charger wasn’t working when plugged into his garage. I told him it had just worked and in fact had worked in over 20 different locations. The mobile charger was faulted out with a red light instead of the green Tesla letters. I quickly googled it and texted him a video on how to reset it. It didn’t work. I looked at his location, and my son happened to be about five minutes away in his Tesla. I called him and asked him to run over his mobile charger and flip them out. But his charger did not work in the Turo car either. They moved the car to the neighbors driveway and it didn’t work there either.
The guest was highly upset saying he had depended on overnight trickle charging so he wouldn’t have to supercharge on a 250 road trip the next day. Again, I assured him the car was charging and driving perfectly. I asked him to drive 3 minutes away to a supercharger and make sure it charged there before his road trip. It did. But he was still upset that it seemed to mess up his plans. I offered him free supercharging for all three days with no cap.
I texted him yesterday to make sure everything was fine. It was. But just wondering if anyone else has experienced a mobile charger error - or 2 of them at the same house? I’m thinking it was just old wiring in the houses on that street ? So weird.
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