Hammad mogra

@KItreal512 @guenondosed @Rashiq__Shahzad You don't need to come up with these copious long explanations, I'm not engaging. Everything you've mentioned here I've addressed multiple times, I apologise if I have shown arrogance or insulted you.

You are all over the place and full of contradictions. Ibn Abi Hatim in his ranking (which itself follows from his father Abu Hatim) lists the rank of ‘shaykh’ as number 3, above the rank of ‘salih al hadith’ which is rank 4. Yet the term we are investigating is ‘shaykh salih’ so it will rank no lower than number 4 (‘salih al hadith). And we see Ibn Hajar says Abu Hatim saying ‘salih al hadith’ for a narrator meant he deemed him reliable. As for your scan it refers to al-Khalili and the name Abu Hatim is nowhere mentioned in that statement. Don’t be so arrogant next time especially when you contradict your own scans lol

From Heretic to Sunni Hero how Abū Ḥanīfa Was Rewritten into Sunni Orthodoxy

@KItreal512 @guenondosed @Rashiq__Shahzad Abu Haatim*

@KItreal512 @guenondosed @Rashiq__Shahzad 1. Ibn Abi Haatim didn't use the wording Shaykh Saalih, he used the wording Saalih ul Hadith, for the 3rd time, read this passage properly. 2. Ibn Hajr's statement on "Shaykhun Saalih" is clear, which is what we are discussing. This is getting tedious now, I won't be engaging.

@KItreal512 @guenondosed @Rashiq__Shahzad Here, I'll give you a hint.

@KItreal512 @guenondosed @Rashiq__Shahzad I'm almost fully confident that you aren't classically trained. These are basics of Mustalah, you learn these concepts in the first few weeks of study.

@guenondosed @KItreal512 @Rashiq__Shahzad I respect Abu Ghuddah immensely, but Ibn Hajr's Kalaam is clear. Furthermore, this categorisation isn't from Abu Ghuddah, it's from the Muhaqqiq.

@KItreal512 @HammadMogra @Rashiq__Shahzad He is a wahhabi bis brain shuts down when the name Abu Ghuddah is mentioned

@KItreal512 @guenondosed @Rashiq__Shahzad Ibn Hajar was an expert on his own methodology. I've given you his Kalaam and Ibn us Salaah's. Don't be from those who continue to argue after the truth becomes apparent.

@HammadMogra @guenondosed @Rashiq__Shahzad Abu Ghuddah was an expert in Ibn Hajar’s tahdhib. Own goal from you

@KItreal512 @guenondosed @Rashiq__Shahzad 😂 Rest. I've shown you his Kalaam, Ibn us Salah has the same understanding, he also attributes this to Ibn Abi Haatim (I haven't checked to see if there's a direct quotation).

@HammadMogra @guenondosed @Rashiq__Shahzad I would say the shaykh better understood Ibn Hajar’s tahdhib than you and I lol

@guenondosed @KItreal512 @Rashiq__Shahzad @KItreal512 To prevent embarrassing blunders like this in the future, I highly recommend that you read Sh Abdullah As Saad's المفصل في شرح الموقظة.

@guenondosed @KItreal512 @Rashiq__Shahzad LMAO x.com/HammadMogra/st…

@KItreal512 @guenondosed @Rashiq__Shahzad The first part is the Kalaam of Abu Ghuddah, the different categories were explained by خليل مأمون شيحا* Definitely NOT Ibn Hajr, his Kalaam on this matter is clear as shown above.

@KItreal512 @guenondosed @Rashiq__Shahzad As for what you have quoted, it is not even from the Kalam of Ibn Hajr. It's the Kalam of Abu Ghuddah, please be more meticulous when you quote.

@KItreal512 @guenondosed @Rashiq__Shahzad Ibn Us Salah*

@KItreal512 @guenondosed @Rashiq__Shahzad This is Ibn us Sarah's book on Uloom ul Hadith. 😂😂😂 Look at what the first category states, then look at what the rest of them state. Please stop with this pseudo scholarship, you're embarrassing yourself.

@KItreal512 @guenondosed @Rashiq__Shahzad I'd be surprised if you even know what يكتب حديثه entails.

@KItreal512 @guenondosed @Rashiq__Shahzad ( الثالثة ) : قال ابن أبي حاتم : " إذا قيل : " شيخ " فهو بالمنزلة الثالثة ، يكتب حديثه وينظر فيه ، إلا أنه دون الثانية " . ( الرابعة ) : قال : إذا قيل " صالح الحديث " فإنه يكتب حديثه [ ص: 125 ] للاعتبار . الخلاصة: لا يحتج بهذا القسم

@HammadMogra @guenondosed @Rashiq__Shahzad Nothing there weakens Abu Hatim’s usage of ‘shaykh salih’. Again read Ibn Hajar’s tahdhib and see yourself Abu Hatim’s usage of ‘shaykh salih’ is mainly in agreement with tawthiq by others

@KItreal512 @guenondosed @Rashiq__Shahzad Ta'dil ≠ Tawthiq. Tawthiq is the highest form of Ta'dil, this is elementary. Read what I have sent.

It does not show anything specific to Abu Hatim with evidence. Who says its not tawthiq? Show me evidence of anyone who explicitly said Abu Hatim’s usage of ‘shaykh salih’ is not tawthiq. I provided evidence from Ibn Hajar that he considers it as a form of tadil without any indication of weakness or any need of corroboration.