Harold Mecca

Islam claims Mecca is ancient, built by Abraham and Ishmael over 3,500 years ago, making it the cradle of monotheism. The Qur’an and Hadith present it as a sacred, long-established pilgrimage site.

Islamic tradition itself remembers Mecca housing 360 idols, including Hubal and the shrine of Al-Lat. Revisionist scholars note this fits the profile of a classic late-antiquity "Sacred Enclave", a destination for regional pilgrimage, not global spice caravans 🏛️✨ #LateAntiquity

Strip away the later "global trade hub" narrative and what remains? Historians suggest Mecca was important before Islam but as a seasonal, localised pagan sanctuary. It wasn't a world market; it was a regional neutral ground for nomadic tribes to settle blood feuds. 🏜️🤝 #History

@AvicennaTA @TwtZey That's it pagan. Just remember you're praying towards a pagan site every time.

@HaroldMecca @TwtZey Thats it? You couldn't refute me so you settle with your own subjective and highly limited standard? Cute

Why are people so keen on claiming that Allah, the creator of everything, the omnipotent being that knows everything has to have morals that align with our made up morals?

@AvicennaTA @TwtZey You worship a pagan site from around 500 AD

@HaroldMecca @TwtZey Lastly your entire argument hinges on a subjective criteria. Lack of empirical evidence does not disprove an event. We have other means of evidences that deduce to the event being true.

@AvicennaTA @TwtZey You failed to respond to Russell's teapot so you're just repeating yourself now. The only fallacy here is your appeal to authority.

@HaroldMecca @TwtZey See now this is once again where your fallacy is portrayed. My justification depends on divinity and prophethood. Where is your evidence that makkah WASNT built by abraham? Lack of archeological evidence is not grounds to claim it wasnt built

@AvicennaTA @TwtZey If he didn't exist then he didn't build Mecca. If he did exist then he still didn't build Mecca.

@HaroldMecca @TwtZey So your argument is that makkah isnt built by Abraham. What is your proof that Abraham exists?

@AvicennaTA @TwtZey You don't have freedom of thought.

@HaroldMecca @TwtZey We are making progress now. Why is islam the authority here for us?

@AvicennaTA @TwtZey I've made my argument. What's your point? Mo told you?

@HaroldMecca @TwtZey Make your argument i dont fall for purely inductive and speculative arguments

@AvicennaTA @TwtZey How old is Mecca? The earliest evidence you can give me is the 7th century. It was not built by Abraham. What bit do you not get?

@HaroldMecca @TwtZey Im confused what even is your argument anymore, this is self humiliating for you LOL

@AvicennaTA @TwtZey Shall we leave it there? I think we understand each others postion now.

@HaroldMecca @TwtZey 7th century

@MasterMaliq How old is Mecca?

The word “Quran” is mentioned in the Quran multiple times… But the word “Bible” is nowhere in the Bible. Not even once. So the Bible doesn’t even recognize itself? 🤔

@AvicennaTA @TwtZey Ok, and the oldest one is....

@HaroldMecca @TwtZey We literally have countless non islamic sources claiming that trading existed in makkah

@AvicennaTA @TwtZey Your criteria is Islam told you. I'm asking you, what's your next best proof? Serious question.

@HaroldMecca @TwtZey Nice try, typical atheist jargon, u failed to tell me why my criteria isnt authoritative over yours.

@AvicennaTA @TwtZey Great, show me the evidence for this fact!

@HaroldMecca @TwtZey Wdym reference? Its a historical fact that it was a trade route we already have that groundes

Before the 7th century, Arabia's wealth flowed through oases like Najran, Tayma, and Yathrib (Medina). These cities have the receipts: coins, inscriptions, and ruins. Mecca? It’s the "silent city"—not a single 6th-century map or state document places it on the map. 🏜️❓ #History

@AvicennaTA @TwtZey Deflecting, you didn't answer my question

@HaroldMecca @TwtZey Not sure you understand what carbon dating is just based off your response here

@AvicennaTA @TwtZey I understand your argument, it's not a new one. I've already countered it above, read about Russell's teapot if you don't understand. The burden of proof is on you.

@HaroldMecca @TwtZey Once again learn what the fallacy from ignorance is. I dont need to meet your subjective criteria just for you to assume an event happened or not. We already have instances in history that are granted true not because of archeology but anecdotal testimonies.

@AvicennaTA @TwtZey Lol, that's not how it works. What about there being no reference by other traders? How do you explain that.

@HaroldMecca @TwtZey No its impossible to date because theres nothing left that can reach the earliest carbon dating age

@AvicennaTA @TwtZey This makes no sense. You're the one making up history with no evidence. How can you not see that?

@HaroldMecca @TwtZey LMAOOOO yea bro ur cooked. You wanna claim a historical discrepancy for a land mark while simultaneously rejecting the existence of the one who first built it? This is what i mean by the fallibility of historicity