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@IbnAlwarraq
An argument is not necessarily true because eloquently uttered, nor false because stated poorly. Fellow @idicenter . Views are my own.
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@ValdmannKristo @IdoHalbany I didn't make any argument I just provided the sources, so I am not sure what are you are arguing about with me, if you don't like what Durant wrote, that is fine, I don't like a lot of things he wrote either.
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@IbnAlwarraq @IdoHalbany The core of the issue here is HOW it survives or dies. Whether by it's own will and actions or not. The notion of natural selection can survive in a peaceful environment.
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Unpopular opinion:
Netanyahu is being irresponsible here.
By now, Israel’s leader should know we’re dealing with a well-oiled disinformation machine that specializes in twisting everything into an anti-Israel narrative.
He shouldn’t have handed them an easy opening.
Disclose.tv@disclosetv
NOW - Netanyahu: "Jesus Christ has no advantage over Genghis Khan. Because if you are strong enough, ruthless enough, powerful enough, evil will overcome good."
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@ValdmannKristo @IdoHalbany So Will Durant views are simplistic, but yours are nuanced, great can't wait to read your multi volumes philosophy and history work.
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@IbnAlwarraq @IdoHalbany This is still a simplistic view of the issue - this is more nuanced. x.com/ValdmannKristo…
Kristo Valdmann@ValdmannKristo
Technically he is correct, but he does not take into consideration the ratio of psychopaths and non psychopaths in society. It's about 95/5. So all you need is decentralization of power and good people will always outweigh the evil in power and strength. Blockchain anyone ?
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@FeelsGuy2003 So a Roman Catholic historian writes a book. a Jewish person quote the the book written by a Roman Catholic. Another Roman Catholic: "Judea declares war on Christ". Yeah that sounds rational.
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@TaylorRMarshall A "Philosopher" with Dr before your name and didn't bother to check the source, let alone understand the point.
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Jesus Christ defeated death by rising from the dead.
Death defeated Genghis Khan.
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You dumb fucking tumbleweed jihadi appeasing ass bitch
YourFavoriteGuy@guychristensen_
Tel-Aviv should have never existed. It’s called Jaffa.
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@BlueCheezWhisky I don't think he knows what ten you're talking about.
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He was quoting William Durant. And, if you hear his point, it wasn't to insult Jesus.
Don't bear false witness. It is one of the ten.
Joel Webbon@JoelWebbon
"Jesus Christ has no advantage over Genghis Khan. If you are strong enough, ruthless enough, and powerful enough, evil will overcome good." -Netanyahu In God’s providence, He may allow evil to triumph for a time. That’s what He’s doing right now.
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@daniepstein_com @IdoHalbany People inability to read, or worse to find out when they don't know is amusing, I wish I have the confidence of these ignorants.
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@daniepstein_com @IdoHalbany Don't do that to yourself, there are far better things you can do with your time.
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@RealRayza @IdoHalbany I wish, idiots don't generally know they are idiots, but these morons know they are morons and they double down on their moronicity.
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@IbnAlwarraq @IdoHalbany The era of good conspiracy theories is gone. Now we just have idiots
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@IdoHalbany Or don't give them any concern, since it doesn't matter what he does, they will judge him wrong.
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@IbnAlwarraq I know that. I said that he should’ve known they would distort his statement. This is the reality. Don’t give them any opportunity to do that.
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@sola_chad When did people stop reading? here is where he is quoting from American historian and philosopher "Will Durant" who wrote this nearly 60 years ago? if it's "Absolutely indefensible" how come no one said a word about it before?
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This is disgusting. Why do we keep helping this guy? Absolutely indefensible.
Disclose.tv@disclosetv
NOW - Netanyahu: "Jesus Christ has no advantage over Genghis Khan. Because if you are strong enough, ruthless enough, powerful enough, evil will overcome good."
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@WillsBlackwolf @IdoHalbany yes, which is normal, unless you are writing an academic paper or quoting, paraphrasing an idea is quite acceptable, otherwise we all be walking bomber stickers.
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It really doesn't work this way at all, and if you think that how logic works you need to read more about it. nobody ever did or even could observate laws of logic, if they are observable they are not universal they become particulars, and no longer invariant they become contingent.
"These axioms are not encoded into the universe as such; they are our own creations."
I give up, if you really thing axioms are convention, then the end of every conversation is "this is your convention an not mine". and if logic is our creation, then why contradictory premises are not considered valid as someone else's creation. anyway. since we reached the point where logic is created, I have just created a new law of logic that states.
I am right you are wrong. have a great day.
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Logic is merely a framework by which we categorise and analyse observations and extrapolate predictions based on the premises we discover. It is inherently human because it requires humans to create the axioms that form the foundation of logic. Naturally, the universe appears to reflect this logic, but this is a projection we apply to what we observe.
Logic itself, however - particularly when it comes to maths - requires axioms that are inherently non-logical (as opposed to illogical). These axioms are not encoded into the universe as such; they are our own creations.
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@IbnAlwarraq I'm floored. This is magnificent. I will also buy your book, should you ever write one! Brilliant!
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@RabbiOri I took it as a commission the first time you quoted it to me.
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True @IbnAlwarraq is our eyes in this vast wilderness . Glad to be your friend.
God Bless
(Salam) سلام@IbnAlwarraq
@MHZooFL @ygindigenousjew A dear friend of mine @RabbiOri always remind me of this verse "since you know where we should camp in the wilderness, and you can serve as our eyes." So I am just mapping the wilderness.
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Good question.
1- laws in themselves have no vollition, and as such they need to be grounding in a coherent worldview.
2- if we are are saying only matter exist then by definition, non-matter doesn't exist, that means there are no universal abstract invariant.
3- if you want go the Platonic route and have matter and ideals, then you will end up with Plato problem where he had to appeal to story telling about the Demiurge i.e. a dvine agent who shape the physical world.
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@IbnAlwarraq @daniepstein_com Loving this, I will play …
Please explain why this is true
“it means pre-human laws of logic didn't exist”
why can laws of logic not exist by themselves without humans ??
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"our brains have developed the capacity for rational logical thought "
Think about this really carefully. it means pre-human laws of logic didn't exist, that means contradictory premises was both valid. So the premises "Human Exist" & "Human don't exist" both have the same validity as well as "Logic exist" & "Logic doesn't exist". It also means if we collectively as humans decided to make contradictions valid or the law of identity invalid then we can. That is not how logic works at all.
"humans are also not fully logical creatures either"
If logic is product of human brain then the statement is meaningless, why what some brains produce ex valid while other brains production isn't.
By the way, you can fully appreciate the text, and the Biblical worldview without believing in the supernatural, the argument still stand, it's only one worldview of a group of people that were never more than 1% of the world population gave the source code of thinking for most of humanity, that we can't operate rationally without.
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The problem for me is that unlike both of you, I am not fully convinced that human logical minds and the human rational experience compel me to conclude a logical Creator is a prerequisite.
I concede that it might be a prerequisite ……but then again it might just be that our brains have developed the capacity for rational logical thought via evolution, it helps us to survive in a logically constructed environment and we have become good at it. I am not sure either way and i don’t feel it necessary to force a conclusion.
You may argue that the fact the world is constructed in a logical and orderly way is also proof of a logical creator. That may be true, but then again perhaps not, it may just BE.
It is also interesting to reflect that humans are also not fully logical creatures either, much of what we do is driven by emotions and chemistry. Our life is a constant struggle to exert the rational mind over the impulsive one.
Anyhow - going back to the original piece by Salam, I like the idea of applying this argument to the existence of Jewish survival. Very thought provoking.
Nice exchanging ideas with you both.
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@AnamaMOSS @CarriePrejean1 @JeninYounesEsq @JasonJonesVPP Oh, I guess you missed the connection.
x.com/IbnAlwarraq/st…
(Salam) سلام@IbnAlwarraq
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Met with some amazing Palestinian’s this morning. Our work has just begun. Let us continue to pray for a free Palestine and free America from Christian Zionism. 🇵🇸🇺🇸
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