Ibrahim Jaleel

@hagitok1 @MosheELavi The British with the help of Zionist helps the Jews to migrate to Palestine. The Jews created the problem and tensions by migrating. They could have chosen another place as a homeland. But must chose a place where people actually lived

@Ibrahimjaylo @MosheELavi no. It Doesn't prove your point. It's a mental gymnastic. very limited similarity and it were the Arabs who started to massacred the Jews. Now I muting the conversation. So you will be able to read all the material that I have adjusted. As you clearly haven't

There is a genre of October 7 commentary that works by constructing a historical arc so compressed and so selective that the conclusion becomes inevitable. A people wronged, hemmed in, their world dismantled across generations. Rage follows. What else would you expect? The history offered in support of this arc is not really history. It begins where it needs to begin, omits what complicates it, and arrives at a destination that was chosen before the argument started. The Arab population of Mandatory Palestine never held sovereignty that was taken from them. There was no state. A significant portion immigrated to the land only in the 19th and early 20th centuries. The land passed from Ottoman to British control, and two national movements competed within that framework. One of them, the Jewish national movement, was not a colonial project arriving from outside. Jewish communities had existed without interruption in Jerusalem, Hebron, Safed, Gaza, Tiberias, the Galilee and elsewhere, through centuries of pre-modern colonial empires, Roman, Byzantine, several Arab Caliphates, the Crusaders, and Ottoman, and long before any of them emerged. The Zionist movement was a national liberation movement of a people with three thousand years of documented connection to that land, rejecting the exile that was imposed on many of them, and building upon a presence that had never left. The other national movement, the Arab Palestinian one, crystallised largely in reaction to Zionism rather than predating it, which is why the sovereign state being projected backwards into history as ancient and continuous is itself part of the inversion, not a foundation for it. Arab leaders, who rarely called themselves Palestinians then and most of whom saw themselves as part of greater Syria, rejected partition in 1937 and again in 1947. That rejection, and the violence that accompanied it across the three decades of the Mandate period, is precisely what this genre of argument leaves out. What does the enforcing are films like "Palestine 36," marketed as historical drama about the bloody Arab Revolt, but functioning as something closer to historical replacement. They strip Jewish indigeneity and continuity from the record, recast a people with millennia of connection to that land as recent colonial arrivals, and present the conflict as a simple story of indigenous resistance to foreign imposition. The purpose is not to inform Western audiences about a complex national conflict. It is to recruit them to a conclusion: that Jews and Israel are an illegitimate implant in the region, that the appropriate remedy is dismantlement, and that what would follow, the imagined state from the river to the sea, would be a tolerant, secular, democratic alternative, where Jews can live in peace under their Arab Palestinian Muslim rulers, not as a national group but as a religious minority. That last part is perhaps the most dishonest element of the entire narrative. The movements driving that agenda in the Middle East are neither democratic nor secular, and whatever secular veneer some of them maintain is precisely that, a veneer. The model being implicitly promised has no precedent among Muslim-majority states in the region, and sits in direct and unacknowledged tension with the political and religious character of the organisations whose cause these films are made to serve, like Hamas. Without all of this, October 7 cannot be made to look like the inevitable product of accumulated injustice. It looks instead like what it was: a brutal, sadistic rampage by Arab Palestinian Islamist terrorist organisations, and the civilians who joined them, to murder, rape, and kidnap Israeli citizens, residents, and foreign nationals. No historical narrative, however artfully constructed, changes what happened that morning. It only changes who the audience is willing to hold responsible for it. This is the genre James represents, and he is far from alone in it. It is not engagement with history. It is the use of a selective version of it to launder a conclusion that was held before the argument began.

@hagitok1 @sdoc1888 @MosheELavi If u are gonna survive from Nazis why migrate somewhere that is far away

@Ibrahimjaylo @sdoc1888 @MosheELavi Nope. They migrate specifically immigtrated to the land of Israel and was not easy at all. You really need to read history Muted

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@hagitok1 @sdoc1888 @MosheELavi That's why they migrated Palestine. Cause the journey must have been easy and close to Europe

@Ibrahimjaylo @sdoc1888 @MosheELavi How does that prove that the British aided them ? They came on their own After the Peel comission they limited the immigration so that they didn't accept refugees and left jews to die by the Nazis

@hagitok1 @MosheELavi This proves my point. Europeans settled first in America and was coexisting with natives till they started to be huge numbers and later massacred the native population. See so much similarities

@Ibrahimjaylo @MosheELavi Nope a sub continents of millions was divided 10s of millions had to leave (Hindus & Arabs). Millions were killed. The conflict exist until this very day. The comparision of Israel to America is a false comparison. So is palestinians to native americans x.com/SpencerJJoseph…

@hagitok1 @sdoc1888 @MosheELavi But ancestral land is Iraq. They formed a nation long before Sinai. They conquered Palestine region and massacred the inhabitants right?

@Ibrahimjaylo @sdoc1888 @MosheELavi They became a nation in the land of Israel

@hagitok1 @sdoc1888 @MosheELavi How do u determine Jews has more connection. The Arabs lived there much longer than the jews

@Ibrahimjaylo @sdoc1888 @MosheELavi This is a good explanation of this issue. This land was never an island & people moved in and out for centuries. Including the Arabs who currently call themselves Palestinians Jews has the highest connection to that land youtu.be/PlmC46OnYF4?si…

@hagitok1 @sdoc1888 @MosheELavi Infact Jews originated from Abraham so they are from iraq

@Ibrahimjaylo @sdoc1888 @MosheELavi no

@hagitok1 @MosheELavi One country divided into 2 country based on major states majority religion. Minorities migrated. Some stayed. Violence flared up on both sides. But the people that stayed were more than that migrated. Israel case is more similar to America vs native Americans

@Ibrahimjaylo @MosheELavi sub continent - millions had to move 1000s of kms against their will. Europe is closer than areas Hindus needed to immigrate to. also. jews immigrated also from the ME to the land of israel & then about 800k kicked out from arab countries

@hagitok1 @sdoc1888 @MosheELavi But can u randomly pick a Jew from Israel and trace his lineage back to the land? Genetics studies show Palestinians are infact much close to the people that lived 2000 years ago

@Ibrahimjaylo @sdoc1888 @MosheELavi no. i don't have to prove. they migrated legally, bought lands and lived there. this alone is enough. but there's huge amount of evidence for jews living there and expelled. also there was a continous presence of jews in the land in varying numbers

@EinatWilf Before any migration the Arabs were the majority

One of the biggest and lesser known stories of Nov 29 is that the lands allocated to a Jewish state (two color map) were essentially those the Zionists reclaimed from malaria through land purchase, science and education (the two-tone blue map is the incidents of malaria and the middle map shows Jewish land ownership of those lands reclaimed from malaria). Moreover, the sudden and extremely rapid increase of the Arab population in the 1920’s and 1930’s in this barely populated backwater region (this was the highest population increase rate in the world in 1931/2) was only in part due to immigration spurred by Zionist development of the land. The major share of the massive Arab population increase was thanks to Malaria eradication, which was the work of the Galician born famed microbiologist and ardent Zionist Dr. Israel Kligler (credit to the great historical work of Anton Alexander). With this knowledge it remains even a greater tragedy that the now much more numerous Arabs of the land directed their efforts towards brutally fighting Zionism rather than choosing to live side by side with an emerging Jewish state. More than a year after the Oct 7 massacre we mark once more the Nov 29 moment when the Jews said yes to the UNGA plan of partition (having prioritized having a state, even if tiny and mostly desert and lands reclaimed from malaria and no Zion and no Judea) and the Arabs said no and proceeded to wage a brutal war to the present day (having prioritized - still - the goal of the Jews not having a state at all and of any size). (Note on map titles: for twenty centuries, before a campaign of denial was underway, it was well understood that the name “Palestine” merely denoted the Roman/Christian/Colonial/European name for the geographic region where the Land of Israel was and was therefore deeply associated with Jews and the their continuous connection to the land. Hence the League of Nation in establishing the mandate recognized the “historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine" as the "grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country” and which is why the Palestine Philharmonic Orchestra of Jewish musicians became the Israeli Philharmonic Orchestra…)

@hagitok1 @sdoc1888 @MosheELavi U have to prove the people that migrated have ancestral rights to the land . There is no evidence cause 2000 years there is no evidence. Historically people always stayed there converting from one religion to other. Palestinians are more entitled to that land

@Ibrahimjaylo @sdoc1888 @MosheELavi the land if israel is their ancestral land. they migrated legally & bought lands. Arabs massacred in 1929 jews in hebron that lived there for centuries engelsbergideas.com/notebook/hamas…

@hagitok1 @sdoc1888 @MosheELavi Historical land of Jews would be Iraq right?

@hagitok1 @sdoc1888 @MosheELavi This is deliberate migration to change a demographic

@hagitok1 @MosheELavi The Indian sub continent was divided into two nations. Not just the creation of Pakistan. Nobody from Europe came to the continent to declare a nation.

@Ibrahimjaylo @MosheELavi Nope. you are interpreting incorrectly. Millions of Hindus were forcibly expelled from lands they lived in for centuries to create Pakistan, dropping to ~2%. Arabs are ~20% of Israel’s citizens with equal rights. Palestinians largely moved to nearby Arab-majority areas.

@hagitok1 @sdoc1888 @MosheELavi On top of it it was British who aided Jews to return to Palestine. So any normal indigenous people will resist. Compare how america was formed and how indigenous people were friendly first and resisted later

@hagitok1 @sdoc1888 @MosheELavi How did they trace back their ancestral land? Do they have any records of ownership? Arabs didn't massacre Jews in 1920. Mass migration cause rifts which didn't exist before. When the people living in the land sees foreigners migrating under British rule they would be angry.

@hagitok1 @MosheELavi Migrated to Pakistan.

@hagitok1 @MosheELavi Again u have interpreted history incorrectly. Pakistan and India was formed on the borders of states where Muslims were and majority or Hindus were. Muslims didn't migrate to a certain place to establish Pakistan. Pakistan was established first and then Muslims from Indian states