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@sdfgkjlkjhgfdsa @theMolgran @EchoGuild Absolutely 💯

@Jacob41237370 @theMolgran @EchoGuild they had already been streaming for 20 hours like they need a break at some point

FIRST P4 SEEN AND DAMAGE LOOKING INCREDIBLE BIG PUSH NOW BOYS

@BottleOfScrumpe @Deneytra @EchoGuild Nope won't deny that. They are. Otherwise this race would suck. It love knowing they could kill it any moment. Makes it exciting

@Deneytra @Jacob41237370 @EchoGuild Nobody is denying Echo is crazy good tho?

@maximum I declare on thy easter of 4-5 our lord shall rise (L'ura). (Once he hits 1 hp). And phase 4 shall start -Ion Hazzikostas Probably

@theMolgran @EchoGuild I'd love to see a set ilvl and everything just the best guilds pushing bosses. No splits no debate just best guild wins

@theMolgran @EchoGuild Absolutely it is hard and I believe that's why blizzard hasn't done it. And you are dawned if do. And definitely dawned if you don't. I do wish it was just a blizzard sponsored event. I hate the cheating scandals and oh he did this and he had more gold thing

@Deneytra @BottleOfScrumpe @EchoGuild Brother if you think it's that big of a debate you are truly physcho. My point was just timing. But at the end of the day. It's a game you can get heated if you want

@Jacob41237370 @BottleOfScrumpe @EchoGuild You're just proving my point, thank you. Echo is just that good at ""negating"" the headstart, but it's still a huge advantage.

@Deneytra @EchoGuild Why does every guild treat it as one then....ask echo if it's a race...I'm sure you won't get the answer you are looking for

@Jacob41237370 @EchoGuild That just supports my point. Blizzard should implement a global release, or stop treating this as a real race, because it isn't.

@Deneytra @BottleOfScrumpe @EchoGuild If they are thay good why did they lose all of war within. Are you saying they purposely lost? Crazy strategy

@BottleOfScrumpe @Jacob41237370 @EchoGuild Only because Echo is that good.

@Deneytra @EchoGuild Reduce mistakes save time! Are you forgetting that

@Jacob41237370 @EchoGuild You're acting like planning replaces progression, but it doesn't. Liquid learned and progressed bosses earlier. Echo planning just reduces mistakes, that is all.

@Deneytra @EchoGuild Using just how it is as a evidence or a claim is crazy work

@Deneytra @EchoGuild If it's such an advantage why doesn't echo fly to America? Fly for better ms and use American servers. Not like they aren't a multi million dollar guild. The vault thing is valid absolutely. Getting so much ilvl and repulling a boss is a very valid advantage one second week

@theMolgran @EchoGuild Also true most of the time but I can't see a reason echo would choose to sleep knowing liquid is pulling the boss, if it was global release and if they did then it's on them not liquid.

@Jacob41237370 @EchoGuild There is still a timezone difference and at some point, one of them will have to progress while the other sleeps, then when they wake up they'll just collect the info like that you mention and use it.. I think these situations are bound to happen either way

@TGatsby21 @EchoGuild Absolutely nothing wrong with doing it. If the info is there use it

@Jacob41237370 @EchoGuild Yeah all the top guilds do it, nothing unique to Echo. Just gotta hope the boss is not downed before you wake up

@Deneytra @EchoGuild They aren't just progressing one boss over the time either. It's multiple. This time it's just two but the point still applies. Liquid spent time learning. Echo spent time planning.

@Deneytra @EchoGuild I think you are contradicting yourself. Echo always walks in knowing. They know what strats work. What strats don't work. So they don't waste pulls on it. That's time liquid had to spend figuring it out. And over the course of a week race I think 16 hours of that is possible.

@Deneytra @EchoGuild There is no opinion here. Echo was behind. They learned strats from someone who was slightly ahead due to timing. All facts there is no opinion.

@Deneytra @EchoGuild Well so logicallyRight ,unless that hurts your head too much, this is literally video proof echo learned strats by being behind. If they were ahead they wouldn't have gotten anything... literally just facts.

@EchoGuild They are able to not waste p4 pulls figuring it out. liquid had to pull way more to figure it out because there was no precedent. Even as NA I vote for global release especially if blizzard keeps treating mythic RWF as such a huge event even if they don't themselves sponsor it

@EchoGuild So when people say being ahead isn't a disadvantage at times this is an example I think. Being ahead has showed echo what needs to be done the second they enter the phase... notice how they all moved in a very coordinated fashion...it's like they watched someone else do it...