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蓝狐@lanhubiji·
有个问题是,现在的L2会采用吗? 短期看,采用会比较慢,大一些的L2确实不愿意轻易放弃自己利益: 很多L2靠自己的排序器、MEV、gas费、代币经济、桥接费等赚钱。 EEZ要求用ETH作为默认gas、共享流动性、统一框架,可能会稀释他们的“护城河”和收入; 此外,独立L2有自己的治理、升级权、特色功能。加入EEZ框架意味着要遵循共同标准,减少“自定义”空间;此外,目前已有的生态、桥、dApp迁移成本也是有的。 尤其是Base和Arbitrum会先观望,或者部分集成(比如支持EEZ的跨调用,但不完全切换)。 不过,长期看,如果网络效应起来,也有吸引力: 尤其是新项目,一次部署,全EEZ生态(包括主网)都能用,不用重复建流动性、不用维护桥。 用户体验也好,回到“一个以太坊”,不用跳链、记地址。 以太坊基金会支持,Gnosis和Zisk带头,代码全开源(Swiss non-profit形式,目标最小治理、最终不可升级),属于“公共基础设施”。 一些DeFi和RWA协议计划加入。 如果EEZ真做到低gas、高性能、开发者工具好用,网络效应会慢慢拉人进来,就像当年EVM标准让大家统一一样。 当然,也有人质疑,会问:Based Rollup成熟些,问为什么不合作?这样的质疑也是正常。 更多人关心并推进以太坊生态割裂问题,是好事。
蓝狐@lanhubiji

Gnosis虽然看起来在加密领域声量不算太大,但也是多年的老玩家了,也干过不少实事(比如CoW协议、Safe钱包、预测市场框架等)。 Gnosis这里提到说,要帮以太坊构建一个新的L2框架,叫做以太坊经济区, EEZ(Ethereum Economic Zone)。 看到这个提案,还是值得说下。 在过去两年,我们也是一直在唠叨说,阻碍以太坊前进的最大障碍之一,就是L2的分裂,无法跟L1形成合力。 L2的路线,以太坊一开始想法是“扩容”,结果没想到,扩成了数十个孤岛。 开发者也很不爽,一个项目,要在多个L2上重新部署一次、重新接桥、重新找流动性、重新搞钱包……等于把同一个产品复制很多遍。 用户更不爽,钱要跨链桥(又慢又贵),资产散在各个链上,记都记不住,感觉像在很多个不同国家间转账。 也就是说, 以前大家说“以太坊扩容成功了”,其实只解决了“便宜+快”,并没解决“大家还能无缝一起玩”这个根本问题。 EEZ框架的核心就是要解决这个问题。 目标是,让所有EEZ里的L2 + 以太坊主网,像一个链一样实时互动。 技术上叫,“同步可组合性”。 简单说就是:一个交易里就能直接互相调用合约: 不用桥,不用等,不用包装的资产,可以直接用主网的流动性(比如Uniswap主网的池子,你在L2上也能立刻用到); 最重要的是,安全也直接继承以太坊主网验证者(不用自己搞共识)。 这样, 开发者,可以一次部署,整个以太坊L1/L2生态都可以用。 用户,体感上好像回到“一条链”上。 从技术上看,EEZ不是一个具体的链,而是一个新的Rollup框架(类似一套标准模板),让多个L2能跟以太坊L1以及互相之间实时同步组合。 现在普通L2的跨链是“异步”的:你发一个交易过去,要等桥确认、等最终性,可能几分钟到几小时,还可能失败。 EEZ想让它变成“一个交易里就全部搞定”: 合约在L2上直接调用主网合约(或另一个EEZ L2的合约),立刻拿到返回值,继续执行,全程原子性(要么全成功,要么全失败),安全和执行保证跟直接在主网上一样。 从目前披露的情况看,技术上它主要靠实时零知识证明(real-time zero-knowledge proving),由Zisk(Jordi Baylina的项目,他是zk大牛,Circom和Polygon zkEVM核心贡献者)提供证明栈。 简单来说, • 多个Rollup + 主网的状态通过跨Rollup状态同步机制实时协调(unified state root之类的)。 • 交易执行时,像把几个链“临时当成一个大链”来处理:合约调用跨环境时,ZK证明能快速验证一切正确。 • 不需要额外桥,不需要包装资产,直接用主网的原生ETH作为gas代币,流动性共享(比如主网Uniswap池子,L2上也能直接用到)。 • 安全继承以太坊验证者全套(没有自己的共识机制)。 它不是传统Based Rollup(Based Rollup是L2排序器完全依赖L1排序器/包含,强调去中心化和抗审查)。 EEZ更强调同步可组合性,不是单纯的排序器模式。 它会让EEZ Rollup在L1上结算,并且强调继承L1安全和实时交互,可能在设计上会借鉴或兼容基于L1的机制(基于L1的force inclusion等)。 具体技术白皮书和规格还没发(说是,未来几周会出性能测试、架构细节、开发者工具),现在主要是抽象框架描述。 一句话总结原理: 用实时ZK证明 + 跨Rollup状态同步协议,把多个Rollup和主网“粘”成一个原子执行环境,像一个超级大链一样工作,但每个还是独立的Rollup。

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Le Chiffre@LeChiffre·
Get used to hearing about Linea much more regularly, because I'm expecting massive performance gains. We have one of the best cryptography teams in the space who've been driving with the parking brake on. Imagine what happens when it's finally released. This shift lets us accelerate faster and align with the @ethereumfndn vision. I'm extremely bullish on what our teams are about to ship. @EthCC starts tomorrow. Expect announcements almost daily. Turn on notifications 🫡 @gnark_team @alexand_belling @zk_evm
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Linea.eth@LineaBuild

Our cryptographic researcher @alexand_belling revealed yesterday at @eth_proofs that Linea is moving to RISC-V. After 3 years of directly arithmetizing the EVM, producing a 1000+ page spec and one of the most rigorous proving system in production, we’re changing course. Here’s why 🧵

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TingHu♪@TingHu888·
做好人并且活得好是极难的,但做有用的人就不一样了。为什么我们社会强调好人好报,恶人恶报?就是因为案例太少了,如果好人都有好报,恶人都有恶报,那根本不需要宣扬与祈祷。人性注定了绝大多数人在长期接受别人的好的同时会默认不需要任何代价就心安理得接受,一旦这种好不持续就会认为你不是好人。但做一个有用的人就不一样了,因为别人会默认你这种有用是需要付出一定代价才能得到的,底层思维就是交换。而你若只是一个好人,那就容易躺着索取,甚至会拿“好人”这个称号给你上一层道德枷锁来要求你做一些事来满足自己的需求。
beginner's luck 🔶USDC@Devin682385526

@TingHu888 麻麻说要做一个好人

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John@johnliu830925·
@Tz_2022 @gniwdoolb 那一巴掌的力是实在作用到脸上了,血管破裂染出鲜艳的红色,神经受迫后发出电流,深深的疼痛感都是真实不虚的
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vol.eth@vol_4k·
I've prepared a quite interesting analysis of Etherex token $REX on $Linea as an investment asset. I compared it with the $AERO token on $Base, and the results really surprised me🤯 Once I’ve double-checked the facts with my LLM friends, I’ll publish it here later today🫡
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Huan@Huanusa·
你以为你是韭菜?不,你是噪音😂 说实话了
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joshrudolf.eth@rudolf6_·
1/ How L1 and L2s can build the strongest possible Ethereum tldr: we should continue to lean into the unique capabilities of each layer, and make sure all users have a clear path to securely and seamlessly benefit from the core properties of Ethereum
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Le Chiffre@LeChiffre·
We're good at @LineaBuild we have 2/3 right now, Stage 1 is coming in few weeks 😁
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vitalik.eth@VitalikButerin

There have recently been some discussions on the ongoing role of L2s in the Ethereum ecosystem, especially in the face of two facts: * L2s' progress to stage 2 (and, secondarily, on interop) has been far slower and more difficult than originally expected * L1 itself is scaling, fees are very low, and gaslimits are projected to increase greatly in 2026 Both of these facts, for their own separate reasons, mean that the original vision of L2s and their role in Ethereum no longer makes sense, and we need a new path. First, let us recap the original vision. Ethereum needs to scale. The definition of "Ethereum scaling" is the existence of large quantities of block space that is backed by the full faith and credit of Ethereum - that is, block space where, if you do things (including with ETH) inside that block space, your activities are guaranteed to be valid, uncensored, unreverted, untouched, as long as Ethereum itself functions. If you create a 10000 TPS EVM where its connection to L1 is mediated by a multisig bridge, then you are not scaling Ethereum. This vision no longer makes sense. L1 does not need L2s to be "branded shards", because L1 is itself scaling. And L2s are not able or willing to satisfy the properties that a true "branded shard" would require. I've even seen at least one explicitly saying that they may never want to go beyond stage 1, not just for technical reasons around ZK-EVM safety, but also because their customers' regulatory needs require them to have ultimate control. This may be doing the right thing for your customers. But it should be obvious that if you are doing this, then you are not "scaling Ethereum" in the sense meant by the rollup-centric roadmap. But that's fine! it's fine because Ethereum itself is now scaling directly on L1, with large planned increases to its gas limit this year and the years ahead. We should stop thinking about L2s as literally being "branded shards" of Ethereum, with the social status and responsibilities that this entails. Instead, we can think of L2s as being a full spectrum, which includes both chains backed by the full faith and credit of Ethereum with various unique properties (eg. not just EVM), as well as a whole array of options at different levels of connection to Ethereum, that each person (or bot) is free to care about or not care about depending on their needs. What would I do today if I were an L2? * Identify a value add other than "scaling". Examples: (i) non-EVM specialized features/VMs around privacy, (ii) efficiency specialized around a particular application, (iii) truly extreme levels of scaling that even a greatly expanded L1 will not do, (iv) a totally different design for non-financial applications, eg. social, identity, AI, (v) ultra-low-latency and other sequencing properties, (vi) maybe built-in oracles or decentralized dispute resolution or other "non-computationally-verifiable" features * Be stage 1 at the minimum (otherwise you really are just a separate L1 with a bridge, and you should just call yourself that) if you're doing things with ETH or other ethereum-issued assets * Support maximum interoperability with Ethereum, though this will differ for each one (eg. what if you're not EVM, or even not financial?) From Ethereum's side, over the past few months I've become more convinced of the value of the native rollup precompile, particuarly once we have enshrined ZK-EVM proofs that we need anyway to scale L1. This is a precompile that verifies a ZK-EVM proof, and it's "part of Ethereum", so (i) it auto-upgrades along with Ethereum, and (ii) if the precompile has a bug, Ethereum will hard-fork to fix the bug. The native rollup precompile would make full, security-council-free, EVM verification accessible. We should spend much more time working out how to design it in such a way that if your L2 is "EVM plus other stuff", then the native rollup precompile would verify the EVM, and you only have to bring your own prover for the "other stuff" (eg. Stylus). This might involve a canonical way of exposing a lookup table between contract call inputs and outputs, and letting you provide your own values to the lookup table (that you would prove separately). This would make it easy to have safe, strong, trustless interoperability with Ethereum. It also enables synchronous composability (see: ethresear.ch/t/combining-pr… and ethresear.ch/t/synchronous-… ). And from there, it's each L2's choice exactly what they want to build. Don't just "extend L1", figure out something new to add. This of course means that some will add things that are trust-dependent, or backdoored, or otherwise insecure; this is unavoidable in a permissionless ecosystem where developers have freedom. Our job should make to make it clear to users what guarantees they have, and to build up the strongest Ethereum that we can.

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PaTRoN@patron4eg·
This time I will not even add much commentary, because I agree with almost everything @Trantor2140 said. If I were @DeclanFox14 , @ethereumJoseph, or anyone else in leadership, I would be taking a very hard look at what is happening and trying to restore order fast. The whole point of handing rewards distribution to the consortium was to avoid backroom games and conflicts of interest. But in reality, all we got was inefficient and almost useless capital allocation that is not working in favor of the ecosystem or the projects building on top of it. I already wrote about this in my earlier post on $LINEA, and I will reference it here(x.com/patron4eg/stat…). Detailed summary of the Etherex / REX W33kly call on March 18 • The main takeaway from the call: Etherex’s current problem is not really the product itself, but weak execution across the broader Linea / Consensys ecosystem. • @Trantor2140 says quite directly that Etherex has a working economic model, revenue, and a clear structure, but the market is punishing the project for lack of clarity, weak coordination, and prolonged management dysfunction. • One of the central points: there is a structural disconnect between Consensys-held assets and the Linea incentive system. Consensys holds a large position, but is not directing enough economic support back into the ecosystem. Linea Consortium can distribute incentives, but does not directly benefit from those assets. As a result, incentives are weak and inconsistent. • @Trantor2140 describes this as an almost existential problem for Etherex / Linea. Until the Consensys position is turned into something that actually supports the ecosystem, or until there is some kind of revenue share, the problem will remain. • At the same time, he makes it clear that he does not see the Linea DeFi team as the main source of the issue. In his view, the root problem sits higher up, at the level of coordination, priorities, and execution within Consensys / Linea. • On the liquidity side, Etherex is no longer focused on TVL for the sake of TVL. The goal now is higher-quality capital deployment: assets and pools that can support borrowing, looping strategies, deeper liquidity, and a more useful trading environment for users. • There was also discussion around a recent issue in the voting / execution process. Last week, Consensys did not vote on time, which disrupted the normal incentive flow. This week, by contrast, Linea incentives arrived earlier and were deployed into pools much faster. • A major part of the criticism was aimed at mUSD. @Trantor expected mUSD to become the core stablecoin strengthening the Linea ecosystem, but in practice he does not see enough incentives or enough real utility for DeFi users. The logic is simple: if you have a stablecoin that generates yield, that yield should be used to drive adoption inside the network. In his view, that has not happened. • Against that backdrop, Frax currently looks more useful and more active for the ecosystem than mUSD. The idea voiced on the call was that Frax and its partners are currently contributing more in practice than MetaMask / mUSD’s own stablecoin direction. • He was also quite harsh on Linea’s positioning as an “institutional chain.” His argument is that if the network wants to claim that narrative, then it needs real institutions, real stablecoins, and real business development, not just branding around it. So far, in his view, Linea’s BD has been weak. • He says quite openly that it is not normal when the head of a single DEX is effectively forced to bring in new stablecoins, new deposits, and new business opportunities for the network by himself. That is essentially criticism of Linea for not doing enough to support growth in its own ecosystem. • An important point on the LINEA token itself: the market does not have a clear sense of who is really steering it, and the current market making / liquidity setup does not inspire confidence. @Trantor2140 points out that the pools are overloaded with LINEA and do not look balanced the way they should. • Despite all the criticism, the bull case for Etherex / Linea, according to him, is not dead. But the problem is that after Ignition, the ecosystem failed to deliver on what the market had effectively been promised. Execution was missing. • He believes Linea already has nearly all the ingredients it needs: strong technology, a strong DEX, a solid team, and a strong community. But the ecosystem keeps getting in its own way because of poor coordination and weak execution. • @Trantor2140 highlighted 3 major potential catalysts that could change the situation: 1. The Consensys position needs to start working for the ecosystem instead of just sitting there passively. 2. Linea needs to reach Stage 1 decentralization. He says this is long overdue, and even he no longer seems confident in the promised timeline. 3. The market needs clarity on what MetaMask is actually building next: cash accounts, card rails, a neobank-style product, or some other consumer fintech layer. If MetaMask’s core infrastructure ends up being tightly tied to Linea, that could become a major catalyst. • The topic of a possible Consensys IPO also came up. @Trantor2140 suggests that IPO preparation may currently be distracting attention and resources, indirectly slowing ecosystem development. At the same time, he thinks an IPO could later bring more discipline, more transparency, and better alignment across products. That sounded more like his hypothesis than a confirmed fact. • On REX, his stance is fairly clear: he believes the market has pushed the price too low relative to fundamentals. According to him, Etherex is already profitable, emissions are lower than the economic value being generated, and the current valuation looks unjustifiably weak. He even mentioned that, in his personal view, something around 4.5 to 5 cents would be a fairer range. That was clearly his subjective estimate, not something fully derived on the call. • His practical conclusion for holders is also straightforward: if you are already positioned in the ecosystem, the logic right now is not panic, but patience. As baseline options, he points to Etherex auto vaults and REX33. • He also believes stablecoin pools still offer decent opportunities, especially through partnerships and yields in the 12-13%+ range. • There was also discussion around Sharplink / institutional ETH / related business flows. The transcription quality there is noticeably worse, but the general idea was this: he does not expect large institutional ETH balances to flow aggressively into risky DeFi strategies. More likely, value could come back into the ecosystem indirectly through fees, new products, and tighter alignment with adjacent businesses. • Another important emotional point: @Trantor2140 says very directly that he does not see this as some kind of sophisticated “4D chess.” In his view, it looks much more like ordinary weak execution, loss of focus, and lack of professional coordination. @0xcyp @Alain_Ncls @francescoswiss @LeChiffre or anyone... @etherexfi #rex33 #rex #linea
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自然心@LELE338899·
@GetTrumpMemes @paoloardoino @tether Magic Eden has discontinued support for Polygon. Could you please reinstate trading functionality for Trump Digital Trading Cards on OpenSea?
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TrumpMeme@GetTrumpMemes·
We’re honored to announce that SUPERSTAR Paolo Ardoino @paoloardoino, CEO of @tether, will be speaking at the Conference and joining the Gala Luncheon with President Donald J. Trump at Mar-a-Lago.
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自然心@LELE338899·
@GetTrumpMemes @CollectTrump Since Magic Eden has ended support for the Polygon chain, could the team please bring back trading for Trump Digital Trading Cards on OpenSea? Many holders would greatly appreciate it!
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TrumpMeme@GetTrumpMemes·
Only 297 will get in to Mar-a-Lago. President Trump — the Crypto President — will be speaking to the 297 on the leaderboard. No livestream. No guests. Just real conversation in the room. Only 297 spots. No second chances. If you’re in Crypto, this is where you have to be. Not on the $TRUMP Leaderboard yet? Here’s how to climb:
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自然心@LELE338899·
@GetTrumpMemes @CollectTrump Magic Eden has discontinued support for Polygon. Could you please reinstate trading functionality for Trump Digital Trading Cards on OpenSea?
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自然心@LELE338899·
@CollectTrump Magic Eden has discontinued support for Polygon. Could you please reinstate trading functionality for Trump Digital Trading Cards on OpenSea?
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Bekham Bechamle@Bechamle·
@Nazo_ku Please tell me, how did you determine that there are no tokens for sale? Or is that just your assumption based on the price?
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Nazoku@Nazo_ku·
6d ago, the Linea team injected nearly 1B $LINEA into the market: - 0xaBB: 155,000,000 - 0x3f6a: 318,882,273 - 0xE5C: 118,470,568 - 0x08C: 135,394,935 - 0xbA8: 220,016,770 - Total: 947,764,546 Some of these wallets have already transferred small amounts of tokens to CEXs. I don’t understand why the price of $LINEA has pumped so hard while the bullet is already in the chamber and the trigger could be pulled at any moment. Two possible explanations: • A short-term liquidity hunt • A pump- dump operation But regardless of the reason, demand for Linea is extremely low - so low that more than 380M $LINEA had no takers and had to be burned. 2 mon ago, $170M in ETH was deposited by Sharplink into Lineachain. Now that amount is only a little over $100M. - Lineabuild still posts daily. - Metamask has weakened significantly. - Declan Fox appears like a ghost - sometimes present, sometimes absent. - LC and LA seem to have only one function left: unlocking tokens. - Only Founder Joseph remains highly active, traveling across countries and attending events to promote the Ethereum vision. It has also been quite a while since I last monitored the team to see whether they were dumping tokens, because at $0.003, everyone had already given up. If you are holding $LINEA, this might actually be good news: - Market liquidity has dried up. - The amount of Linea being dumped has dropped to the point where no one even wants to sell anymore. Team wallet: 0x7fbe2d1893a8c22ab024f5e7cb49a44c797dfc9d Receiving wallets: 0xaBBD7BAd2299795a6426446b3A2675D5531E03Fd 0x3f6a27fdbCCc528f231261705eF78D893340FfEB 0xE5C7d22e9A1374E3D0Dc69606A9Cbf8Fa071De66 0x08C9ECB7C020430dCd0Df613828fDD85A45550eB 0xbA8b15901742e410D660064b61A25db8Bf168D9F
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Nazoku@Nazo_ku

Finally, some signs of life. Higher $Linea 🔥🚀

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AB Kuai.Dong@_FORAB·
连马斯克都认可。a16z 联合创始人,分享的信息获取方式。 浏览 X 平台,听顶尖从业者分享,与最领先的 AI 模型对话,阅读旧的书籍。 他认为做其他事情,付出的机会成本都太高了,其实只需要从这几个渠道,获取信息即可。
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Marc Andreessen 🇺🇸@pmarca

My information consumption is now 1/4 X, 1/4 podcast interviews of the smartest practitioners, 1/4 talking to the leading AI models, and 1/4 reading old books. The opportunity cost of anything else is far too high, and rising daily.

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🌞Sunny哥@BTC__Sunny·
以太坊现货ETF昨日狂揽26,700,000美元资金净流入 贝莱德直接扫货3240万美元以太坊 明目张胆疯狂吸筹 一边用舆论制造恐慌,一边用真金白银暴力吃货,吃相极其难看 他们早就知道未来怎么走 现在只是在疯狂囤货,等着拉爆所有人
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