@Beyondwb2 @sowmaler @decentralizAI You're relying on a handful of greedy, irrational folks in the NNS. I'd choose AWS and any other serious provider over that any day.
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@LastZazenMaster @sowmaler @decentralizAI I just believe in the web3 model over the web2.5 hybrid model, you cant rely on AWS and call yourself web3, icp IS web3
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Also, it's not ready for tons of usage; hence, it's alpha stage. I get it. It's frustrating; I am frustrated. But everyone needs to calm down and let cool heads prevail. The team knows what they are doing.
I am patiently waiting until I receive my code. If this doesn't happen in the alpha stage, it's not the end of the world.
On another topic that has been creeping up lately: Caffeine token.
A question for both pros and cons side: Where do you expect the funding to keep developing Caffeine to come from to keep on the same level as Replit and Loveable? I am curious what the ICP thinks.
caffeine@caffeineai
Gone in <30 Seconds 💨 Wow... you claimed those codes fast. Keep your eyes peeled for the next drop 👀
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@sowmaler @LastZazenMaster @decentralizAI 99% of crypto claims to be web3 but can't do anything that a web3 project should be able to do.. crazy
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@Beyondwb2 @decentralizAI @sowmaler Only people raising SNS funds try to deploy models fully on-chain. (See decideai vs caffeine)
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@LastZazenMaster @decentralizAI @sowmaler Not really accurate. ICP stores both code and data fully on-chain with no off-chain dependencies. Sui can store structured app state but you're not deploying full AI models or complete dapps entirely on-chain like you can on ICP
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@Beyondwb2 @decentralizAI @sowmaler yeah, same properties as being on-chain like on the IC but with better performance and price
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@integral_wizard @caffeineai Imagine wasting your time with Caffeine when you can vibe code in the open and cheap web2 world.
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@sowmaler @decentralizAI As I said, the base case is that it's highly unlikely any of them will succeed. So there's no point in overhyping.
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@LastZazenMaster @decentralizAI Every single L1 has trade-offs. Every single one of them. You just want to be contrarian to everything ICP. I've never heard you say a positive thing about it.
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@sowmaler @decentralizAI My point is that ICP is just one of many L1s, and it falls short in several key areas.
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@LastZazenMaster @decentralizAI Cheap blob storage is coming to ICP.
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@LastZazenMaster @decentralizAI walrus, not sui, is 10 nodes run by mysten labs. lol.
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@sowmaler @decentralizAI ICP is too expensive to be used as blob storage.
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@LastZazenMaster @decentralizAI No, it is a dumb way to do it. You might as well just use AWS. It's faster, more efficient, and more secure anyways. ICP is the standard for real decentralized cloud.
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@sowmaler @decentralizAI it's integrated enough, that's how storage should be done for blockchains, not in a dumb way like ICP
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@LastZazenMaster @decentralizAI Yeah walrus is not sui. It's a distributed ( off chain) storage protocol.
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@DocReamus @sowmaler By professionals you mean DFINITY? I'm old enough to remember the meaning of decentralisation.
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@LastZazenMaster @sowmaler They have eaten ICPs lunch yet are incapable of storing even a photo on chain, let alone an entire application, you don’t understand the technology you are investing in do you?
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Pumpfun's genius was creating a system that built in token liquidity. Unfortunately, pumpfun's system also introduces way too much rug/cheating behavior.
The team that solves liquidity in a fair way will dominate this market. I've only seen one team innovate on this... @BlockMinerfun with their ALP system. Maybe more will innovate in this space?
wen launchpad @BlockMinerfun ???
Udi Wertheimer@udiWertheimer
nobody will want to hear this but i’ll say it anyway maybe some of the kids will learn something you can’t list a $100m+ coin with $100k liquidity and expect a good outcome. it’s not going to work since none of the legacy runes set funds aside for market making, whenever kraken wants to list it (or its partners) has to first buy coins on the market, which they probably write off as a marketing expense, which is why you see small rallies ahead of listings but the volume is still low, and kraken can’t get its hand on a reasonable amount of tokens because there’s no liquidity in the first place, so it’s very clear what’s gonna happen after listing unironically odinfun fixes this, because it automatically sets aside tokens+btc for market-making from graduation. you can very rarely save a coin that is already $10m+ market cap with no liquidity. guess they’ll need to see this happen a few more times to figure it out.
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@sowmaler Unknowns can’t be modeled, they apply to all blockchains across the board. So your 10% success odds for ICP already account for them.
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@sowmaler People become so emotionally invested in their favorite blockchain that they inflate its chances of success to unrealistic levels, making any reasonable assessment seem irrational by comparison.
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