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@SPWN_umbra @Zealisinnocent Hold on what was that Hitchens's razor thing? "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." Oh right! Sounds like whole Ren doc :3

@Leon_2223 @Zealisinnocent What was that saying? "It's better to argue with smart people because at least they'll admit when they're wrong?" Sounds about right. :p

Just because the proof seems solid does not mean it can't be argued. Think about every possibility. Don't just assume that because its a lot that you should completely disregard whatever Zeal has to say. It's the wrong mindset to have.

Regarding the Roblox Pressure situation: TRIGGER WARNING: Sexual content, suicide ideation, violence, homicidal ideation, bipolar disorder, and mental illness. This document is best viewed on desktop/PC: docs.google.com/document/d/1te… #roblox #pressure #robloxpressure #zeal #ren

This is the first time I’ve seen a Google Doc with such terrible proof that it drove 2 people to lock their accounts, the dramatuber completely ratioed and burned to oblivion, destroying any credibility, and exposed the so called “victims” as slimy cockroaches. Yikes.

@InTeaSoul Try reading those screenshots without Rens comments. "I have fantasized about you multiple times" is my fav, those are evidence that she had good relationship with Zeal and whatever shit she is saying now doesn't change the past

“Ren doesnt have any proof that it was sa-“ Full detail of what happened, pictures of the dm and the aftermath, the injuries, Zeal’s friends (talking about Zerum, Kat, and Wil) immediately threw him under the bus and state they don’t support him. And zeal, he has nothing.

I wish people would read Ren’s document instead of jumping to conclusions, because if they did read it, they would see that a lot of this resulted from miscommunication. 1. How was Zeal supposed to know the difference between giving consent to a hypothetical hug vs a real one.

@Junie_b3e @pogorex @cuteawesomeboy4 @UrbanshadeRblx Are you talking about yourself?

@Leon_2223 @pogorex @cuteawesomeboy4 @UrbanshadeRblx I love the fact that you’re so blind you don’t see the blatant proof of manipulation in the doc.

I am aware of the document currently being shared and the serious allegations it contains. It is a difficult situation involving personal things between people, and I understand why people are concerned. Due to the sensitive nature of this, I ask that it be approached with care. I want to address this personally. I also want to say that i never intended for my personal situation to impact the game or my team working on it. I know many developers and contributors care deeply about this project, and I regret that this situation is affecting them. Ren and I had a personal relationship, and we met up at RDC. From my perspective and records, those interactions were mutual and consensual at that time. We continued communicating even after the conference, and there was no indication that boundaries had been crossed in the way the document states. This is reflected in our conversations before, during, and after the events. With recognition that people can experience situations differently, I want to emphasize that I do not want to dismiss how someone else may feel. There are important parts of this situation that are not fully represented publicly. After these events, private and sensitive information about our interactions was shared with multiple people without my consent, despite me expressing discomfort with that. This created a significant breach of trust and contributed heavily to the breakdown of communication between us. Following RDC, the situation became more complicated as more people became involved and private matters were shared beyond what I was comfortable with. This led to a breakdown in trust and communication, and I made the decision to step back and create distance. I also want to acknowledge that I did not handle every part of this situation perfectly. There were moments where I could have communicated better and acted more carefully, and I take responsibility for that. Because of the seriousness of the claims being made, I am taking the time to review everything thoroughly so that my further responses are responsible and respectful. In the meantime, I ask the community for a few things, please do not harass or target anyone, do not spread unverified claims as confirmed facts, and please allow space for a proper and complete response. I understand emotions are high, but reacting without full context can cause further harm to everyone involved. I'll have a more detailed response to share soon.

@SPWN_umbra @Zealisinnocent Whatever she said next in the document does not matter in the eyes of law because it doesn't count as real/physical proof. Also her "fawning" is a problem as evidence, since RDC was some time ago it would be hard to confirm

@Leon_2223 @Zealisinnocent My point is, in a court case, in the court of law, she would have enough evidence to get Zeal locked tf up, I read every last page of that document, and that behaviour is consistent with a fawning behaviour, most commonly seen after a traumatic event. (Also ↓↓↓)

@SPWN_umbra @Zealisinnocent in a court case, evidence would be taken into account, physical evidence, like screenshots of conversations, for example: "I fantasized about u multiple times before", do you remember who said that? Ren.

The logic of the defenders of Ren: if you support Ren, you're a good person if you doubted her document for even a second, you're supporting Zeal, you're a rapist, a pedophile, a scumbag, a bastard, you're supporting sexual violence, and you shouldn't be alive

@SPWN_umbra @Zealisinnocent And how do we know she is teling the truth? there is no evidence, only her words, that person can't be "incorrect" because there is no correct answer, we don't have enough proof that what Ren said is truth, sorry buddy but you are protecting someone who showed no actual proof

@Zealisinnocent One word: Fawning. "Fawning is a trauma response where someone tries to stay safe by pleasing others, avoiding conflict, or becoming overly agreeable, even at their own expense." You're just... Incorrect, buddy.

@Ceborg1 @IDONTTHINKUARE @bbeatzzpurminot then go tell her that idk

@Leon_2223 @IDONTTHINKUARE @bbeatzzpurminot That doesn't change the law, by definition, it *is* rape, even if she says otherwise

Hello. Please read this document, it’s about Ren and Zeal’s situation / pressure situation. Please handle this maturely and read the entire thing. State your opinions on discord by messaging me at the end of the document or here. Thank you. docs.google.com/document/d/1d3… #pressure

@IDONTTHINKUARE @Ceborg1 @bbeatzzpurminot "-and I've stated in my doc over and over that it is SA." She didn't say "not to refer to it as rape" she literally said that it was NOT rape

@Leon_2223 @Ceborg1 @bbeatzzpurminot we will not refer to it as rape if that is what she wishes, but by definition, it is rape. i'm not sure if this is different where she lives, as i'm assuming this likely varies depending on country/state.

@Ceborg1 @bbeatzzpurminot and that's just what Ren said herself

@Leon_2223 @bbeatzzpurminot Penetration without consent is rape, that's just the law

@Ceborg1 @bbeatzzpurminot Ren said HERSELF it was not a rape, try checking facts, then comment

@bbeatzzpurminot Calling it the "pressure situation" like the game has literally anything to do with this. This is also *incredibly* biased, and barely seems to take Ren's side at all. If you have sex with someone is unresponsive, without explicit consent, then that is rape. Zeal is a rapist

@sonnetsideup Even Ren said Zeal didn't rape her, maybe read the document first genius

Quick reminder for every person who says Zeal is an rapist and he raped Ren, even she said he didn't lol

@irerueyuri love the part when you showed any proof

Ren literally said she DIDNT CONSENT. Zeal came to her while she was vulnerable and took advantage of her, are you actually sick in the head Did you even READ the document