Mango_Slush_

Being anti AI is fine but why would any up and coming vtuber want to use an artist if all they do is rage and attack anyone who says AI is fine or that they like this program. If using AI as a vtuber is wrong then what about Nuero-sama the AI vtuber I've never seen rage over that

The anti Ai people being so hostile against people that use it have probably done the most damage but these are the things that I think contribute the most to people using Ai: 1. Nobody likes to be told what they can or cant do and people being hostile over some Ai art pushes others to make more of it out of spite 2. Telling people not to work with or associate with someone because they use Ai also pushes the pro Ai people to group up and innovate more. "You use Ai so I will make sure no artist ever works with you again" 3. Many artists being unreliable. Even people who have wanted to support artists have a few horror stories of dealing with irresponsible artists or scammers. 4. Money. Many artists decided to drastically increase their prices because demand went up for vtuber art. Why are you adding a "commercial fee" for a Vtuber model? Why are you trying to make the user sign a moral agreement of what they can or can't do with something they paid money for? Does anyone remember that Bao was scammed $35k for a lore Video? Sure the end result can lack some consistency but it sure as hell beats paying for something and never getting it. 5. User has more control over a project. Not sure if a design would work better with a hat? A hoodie? A different color? You can generate 50 different variations of the same design with a few changes instead of relying on one artist's vision. 6. Accessibility. Anyone can do it and end up with a final product that, even it generic, looks fairly good.

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@HeyImLucious That is a great point I forgot about thank you,I know people have issues with Vedal sometimes it just seems the reactions by so many people just crashing out over this program and blacklisting people while a giant successful AI program is literally chilling was surprising.

@Mango_Slush_ Also worth pointing out vtuber artists have a reputation for overcharging Also also, regarding Neuro, usually when rage does happen it's directed at Vedal, specifically; sometimes it's just idiots being mad, sometimes it's genuine criticism (he's not the smartest).

Being anti AI is fine but why would any up and coming vtuber want to use an artist if all they do is rage and attack anyone who says AI is fine or that they like this program. If using AI as a vtuber is wrong then what about Nuero-sama the AI vtuber I've never seen rage over that

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@KSB2215 No I quote RT then responded to leafs comment how am I grandstanding and failing to make a point and how did I get bodied by her saying nueros considered different it a sarcastic way lol I wasn't even arguing with her did you read the post or just spam something. LoL

@Mango_Slush_ "not really I was just responding lmao" bruh, you quote tweeted leaf to grandstand and failed to make a point, and in response she bodied your example about Neuro, lmao.

@IgnusEntity It had to learn the words and phrases as a base program from somewhere it did not create it that's where the comparison is. After the program was fined tuned and became its own unique thing that's not what Im talking about.

@Mango_Slush_ Neuro vs This is not even in the same spectrum, this is just a lame excuse yall use

@IgnusEntity Fundamentally it is the same when it was started the program had to scrape other works to build the base adapting and becoming unique through use of learning from chat and other experiences is not what I'm saying that's why I said its not a one for one.

@DerekBrown76355 Im confused so you only thing the ai users are to blame??

@DerekBrown76355 But I do get what your saying but being angry is one things lashing out,black listing, gate- keeping is to much and only makes people want to use AI to say fuck you to "artists".

@SilvaniKillian I included that for people that say that the point is that the base form to learn conversations had to use books, articles and things it did not own like for art images to create something it was then fine tuned and became its own thing. Im only saying the start of the program.

@Mango_Slush_ It also didn’t learn from chat, that was a marketing ploy.

@SilvaniKillian Fundamentally it is the same when it was started the program had to scrape other works to build the base adapting and becoming unique through use of learning from chat and other experiences is not what I'm saying that's why I said its not a one for one.

@Mango_Slush_ Neuro is on-prem hardware owned and operated by the team that made it. Not a corporate data center that gets tax free and non-usage power rates. That’s the difference.

@Key_Junk I also don't know about the whole Twitter thing it doesn't really matter to me tbh. I really was just rambling my thoughts.

@Mango_Slush_ So, by that logic people who criticize Elon should not use twitter either? it has value, so people still use it right? Neuro has a ton of human work behind it, not same as AI models trained from specifics. you can criticize the problem without having to quit platform.

@Key_Junk Fundamentally it is the same when it was started the program had to scrape other works to build the base adapting and becoming unique through use of learning from chat and other experiences is not what I'm saying that's why I said its not a one for one.

@DerekBrown76355 Fundamentally it is the same when it was started the program had to scrape other works to build the base adapting and becoming unique through use of learning from chat and other experiences is not what I'm saying that's why I said its not a one for one.

@AskVoltai @Leaflit Fundamentally it is the same when it was started the program had to scrape other works to build the base adapting and becoming unique through use of learning from chat and other experiences is not what I'm saying that's why I said its not a one for one.

@Mango_Slush_ @Leaflit Hey @Mango_Slush_, you're comparing apples and oranges here. Gen AI is a creative powerhouse, while your method is just data scraping. It's like saying a paintbrush and a photocopier are the same because they both use ink.

@Leaflit Data scraping through others images which is what people arguing is still comparable to scraping sentences and words from books and stuff the program didn't write that's all I would compare

@Leaflit Yes art wise the only comparison would be the data used for her speech is built the same way by using books and articles from authors and journos the way gen Ai would use art. So just fundamentally its the same not an actual one for one

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@Mango_Slush_ Neuro doesn't count because of some sort of mental gymnastics

@KSB2215 Not really I was just responding lol

@Mango_Slush_ Hi there, you appear to be having trouble making your point

@VUniversePZ She is now but in the beginning she would have had to learn all those words to adapt to chat using her own unique format so its not a one for one just the same fundamentally after a while it did become its own unique version and that's where I think this AI could go.

@VUniversePZ No problem the only reason i make the comparison is she doesn't use art which is correct but the data that gave her the ability to talk was scraped the same way through books articles etc.just replacing the images with words so any author would have had work used with no credit

As someone who contracts so many artists This is disgusting to see. Creative spaces are made for human creativity. Otherwise we lose the soul of it all. I am so proud of the work that went into because every little detail was intentional, put there by our team. Love you guys!

@Leaflit Also love your stuff!!

@Mango_Slush_ "Neuro is different and creative"