K.J. Roberts

This is my non-anonymous account for Latter-Day Saint connections where my other account is news focused.

People don't not want kids because they're financially difficult.. They don't want them because they require effort. People want to keep their ease.

@Intoalltruth64 a responsibility to those who own them.

What are pets to you?

@plasmarob Nice thank you, this is what I needed. 🤣

Your posts and your counterarguments are all excellent and you should feel very good about yourself.

This story about the Springfield Temple made the front page of The Oregonian today. Temple #3 for Oregon.

"It's difficult not to feel a sense of awe stepping inside the Williamette Valley Temple, the recently constructed temple for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."

Woah, I got added to a list. I think that means I officiallu exist on here.

@Seriouslyt9748 i can respect this point.

@MelchizedekShem Those who canonized the Bible gave us the Nice creed.

Where does the Bible say I need to believe the Nicene Creed to be a Christian?🧐🥸

@fbradley106 yeah, i can respect that. :) It seemed you were the only one to actually pick up specifically the point I was making though. I should probably find a different way to make my point though. The Nicene Creed brought more frustration from Catholic and Orthodox people then I meant.

@MelchizedekShem Mb bro. I thought you were a proddy. Turns out you are LDS.... Different type of heretic! Yes I agree. It's a major flaw in their theology. But that doesn't mean the lads theology is correct either 😂 There is only one Church that has stayed the same since Christ ☦️☦️☦️

@TejasRanger1836 @ponyvilleYIMBY 🤣

@ponyvilleYIMBY Mountain Jew infiltration of American society has been a disaster

Why is everything mormon now

@fbradley106 @ThomBradley8 Its actually a great question. As He loved us.

@fbradley106 @ThomBradley8 John 13:34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

@fbradley106 My post is actually more anti sola scriptura then anti-nicene creed btw. Not sure how protestants can defend sola scriptura and a belief in the nicene creed.

@MelchizedekShem Could you tell me where the Bible teaches "sola scriptura" ? Chapter & verse please.

Someone got it! :D

@fbradley106 Hahaha! Thank you! This is precisely my point!

and those who do believe in the Nicene Creed but also believe in Sola Scriptura ('Bible Believing' Protestants). I have no problem with an open canon. The positions of both former groups make sense to me. Sola scriptura does not make sense to me. (2, fin)

There are three groups surrounding the idea of the Nicene Creed. Those who do not believe it, (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, Jehovahs Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, etc), those who do but don't believe in Sola Scriptura (Catholic, Orthodox) (1)

@Nate08574640920 I agree with your take. Very few others on this thread do.

@MelchizedekShem It doesn’t. It’s just a statement of faith.

@xc_iles Sadly my post hit more of a Catholic and Orthodox group than the protestant sola scriptura group.

@xc_iles I am actually just making fun of the sola scriptura idea. I think its silly and makes no sense. I am actually more alright with a continuing canon, and the Catholic and Orthodox position make more sense to me than the protestant one.

There is something funny going on here. 1) No “creedal Christians” aside from those that are Sola Scriptura - a slowly shrinking minority of us - would appeal to the Bible as the full-and-final, necessary-and-sufficient arbiter of what it is to be a Christian. Consider that NT didn’t yet exist when the disciples were first called “Christian” (Acts 11:26). Yet, there was definitely something - an agreed-upon oral tradition, a shared liturgy, a common doctrine, a sufficiently organized polity that - it was to be “Christian” such that the disciples could be justifiably gathered under a common referent. And obviously the “Bible” of the time (Torah) was insufficient to describe this, since a New Covenant was given under Christ, and a resulting New Testament under construction. 2) Yet LDS like to appeal to the Bible on the basis of a hyper-rigorist Sola Scriptura-grade fixation, pointing out that there’s no clear basis there for establishing adherence to a biblically-compatible but not verbatim biblically-enumerated statement of belief as a test for calling oneself a Christian. 3) But, of course, LDS appeal to other works and proclamations (presumably including some that don’t yet exist) as their own rule of faith. According to them, “creedal Christians” as a class - indeed, no one else - do not have the fullness of the Gospel, which is revealed extra-biblically. In other words, LDS appeal to non-biblical “revelation” (often in form or statements, pious truisms uttered by those with sufficient authority, changes to names, Sunday School formats, etc.) all the time - “thinking Celestial” - as their ultimate rule of faith. Without it, you might get kudos from their god sometime after death, but you aren’t and will not be a Saint as they properly define it (with access to one or more of the three sub-levels of the third main level that populated the Good Place in the Blessed Hereafter.) 4) So it is with “creedal Christians”. The irony of Trojan horsing Sola Scriptura like this is that, while those who espouse that doctrine are “Niceno-Constantinopolitan-Ephesian-Chalcedonian” in their theology, they are hardly ever acquainted with “the Creeds” (maybe the Apostle’s Creed, because some Protestant theologian somewhere decided it was primitive enough and didn’t smack of papism). But the rest of us (which is to say, most of us) do and have always looked to canon of faith, as did those disciples in Acts 11:26, to follow the Gospel of Jesus Christ by the fullness of the Holy Spirit, sent as a Comforter and to guide us into all truth (Jn. 16:13). That is our Holy Tradition - of which the holy Scriptures are an inestimably important part - and by which we adjudge that those who disagree with Nicaea are preaching a different Christ, and therefore something other than what the disciples were first called at Antioch.