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Some data science fun: where do you think The Mandalorian and Grogu will be?
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Minimal Mentat
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A mentat’s (more contentious) musings on #scifi - Dune X Star Wars
Katılım Haziran 2024
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Every fan account says the exact same thing... a self-organising high control group?
Vader's Order@VadersOrder
i swear #TheMandalorianAndGrogu gets better with every rewatch
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@McTipss @sw_holocron @starwars @AMCTheatres @Lucasfilm @DisneyStudios Part of a self-organising high control group. "Star Wars is good because it's Star Wars. All Star Wars is good Star Wars. You need to watch all Star Wars"
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@sw_holocron @starwars @AMCTheatres @Lucasfilm @DisneyStudios Holocron is the type of guy that would see this "movie" six times not because it is good, but because he thinks it is activism. He truly believes he is making a difference to boost the popularity and success. It's actually kinda sad.
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@MoviesThatMaher Yes... but note that this was on 𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘥𝘴𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵. he didn't make SW to sell toys.
SW products sold merch when they were good. So the point of M&G being successful because it will profit from merch sales is reversing the logic.
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@Minimalmentat Lucas was the one that first made owning merchandise rights a very lucrative business
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Funny how the more things you add to otherwise simple accounting, the more it looks like padding...
But even assuming merch is an major factor, it's important to note that defenders reversed the logic - SW merch became a thing because of the success of the OG films.
MoviesThatMaher@MoviesThatMaher
A lot of people are coming into mentions trying to throw it down my throat that the budget was NOT $165M Yea, all Studios do this exactly and report the Production Budget when it comes to Box Office vs Budget. I know Salaries and Marketing are Budget costs but also a counter to that is tax write offs and then it comes to merchandise? Do we also include that? Studios aren’t going to fully reveal every cost, just like they don’t reveal every profit outside of Box Office when it comes to these huge films. Merch, Disney world, Disney plus, Box Office and so much more. #TheMandalorianandGrogu
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Addendum: It’s really funny to hear the Filoni Thrawn energy in these posts.
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Hahahaha
So you are acknowledging that people are telling you need to factor in marketing and revenue splits.
And you are telling us to ignore the same standards applied to all other movies…
Just because your movie doesn’t meet that criteria… because it doesn’t have to? 🤷🏻♂️
Tatooine Sons@TatooineSons
The standard (just shut up about the marketing budget) is to judge a film against its production budget on opening weekend. You can flood the replies with commentary on marketing cost and theater chain take, and that doesn’t change a thing. This film is a box office success.
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Your idea of “success” is from a fan perspective: “i’m just happy to see SW back, and people are watching.”
But the Studio needs this movie to prove there is still viability in the franchise, and in their approach. (2/2)
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TFA made 500+ million on its opening weekend.
Rogue One made 290 million.
“Disappointment” is from the perspective of profit/loss ratios.
SW didn’t come back to theatres to eke out 140+ million on opening weekend. (1/2)
Jeremy, Writer & Dad & Collector of Parks@JeremyWingert79
One thing that annoys me is when a big IP movie makes crazy money in its opening weekend & it’s framed as a disappointment. If a Star Wars spin-off movie makes ONE-HUNDRED & TWO MILLION BUCKS in 4 days, that’s a huge success. Regardless of how it compares. Full stop.
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@BlossomAnalysis For me, SW is truly cooked if this happens.
More mindless “fun”, more Grogu, don’t touch the Skywalkers / main timeline
The franchise is in a closed loop
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I seriously hope Disney doesn’t think this is the direction they should be taking Star Wars, but I don’t have high hopes
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Cut your loses here, folks. Star Wars is over
At least I have a lot of old books left to read
Frank J. Fleming@IMAO_
What's crazy is this is actually the highest audience score for a Star Wars movie outside the original trilogy.
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Addendum 3: “pointless” and “fun” can both be true.
But marketing “pointless fun” to normies is such an insult to normies.
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Addendum 2: interesting though, because between shills selling the movie hard and critics tanking it, who actually has real influence among general audiences?
Can repeat viewings by hardcore fans give the movie legs? That will reveal the true size of the existing fanbase!
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A sincere, but desperate need to believe the movie is doing well.
Between critics describing the movie as between “pointless” and just “fun”, and between the fan accounts believing the movie will break even vs. the trades reporting a poor showing for a SW movie, which is true?
Tatooine Sons@TatooineSons
Overperformed and made back its production budget on opening weekend = box office success (Add to it that if this would have been a D+ season it would have cost approximately the same and brought in negligible new D+ subscribers which mean a financial loss.)
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Would George have made a movie 𝘦𝘹𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘭𝘺 like this? Frame for frame?
Execution matters. “Recognisibly George” seems like such an excuse.
And using George as a defence is such an insult to George’s own skills lol
Retney 🔜 SWC LA 2027@retneysholocron
lol yes this is what I said, this movie is what George would've made if he stayed active
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Ironic, because the archetype of the Disney Star Wars fan is the Disney adult
Tatooine Sons@TatooineSons
If you only read one “thought piece” about #TheMandalorianandGrogu, let it be this one. This is why Star Wars matters. And why Star Wars MUST remain focused on being a story targeting parents and their kids.
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And why I find parts of the fanbase constantly infantilising, and calling for the infantilising of SW so frustrating. (5/5)
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Into my 30s, having read the Dune saga and watched the Villeneuve films, what do you think my expectations for SW will be now?
Maybe like Denis himself, I had (w/o articulating fully), a desire for SW to grow with my own sensibilities.
variety.com/2024/film/news… (4/5)
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This is partly why I find the belief that "SW is for kids" somewhat frustrating. (1/5)
Minimal Mentat@Minimalmentat
Different shows that exist for different audiences. There are people who loved SW as kids, but as adults were curious about a mature take on the universe. It is, after all, a story about a galactic civil war. (1/4)
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