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Mortiel@Mortiel·12h

If enough customers wanted to know the astrological signs of the 7th credited developer on the project to decide if they want the game, then it's smart to disclose that... Unless you know that info will lead to less sales, which is exactly the case with an AI disclosure and UE6.

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Mortiel@Mortiel·12h

Any transparency disclosure is merely a tool for consumers to optionally choose when considering a purchase. More info is always better to me. Timmy here doesn't understand that it's not for him to decide what info consumers find valuable when buying, hence why EGS is failing.

@TheOtherFrost Food lists ingredients because they directly affect the buyer; people have allergies and dietary sensitivities. AI development tools aren’t comparable; AI opposition is a political movement and Steam AI disclosures are political signals like ESG disclosures.

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Mortiel@Mortiel·12h

@Smeggman32 As someone that uses AI in scripting and programming, I can say that you won't find too many engineers like me that hate it given how much it speeds up work, even if just using AI code completion (which is just auto-complete of your own code).

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Dr. Smeggman@Smeggman32·18h

The thing about AI in games is that 99% of people are hypocrites. They only care if AI was used for asset creation. They don't care if it's on the programming side.

Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney has called Valve’s AI disclosure policy on Steam “irresponsible,” arguing that forcing developers to label games using AI could unfairly target smaller studios. Sweeney believes AI will soon be a normal part of game development, so requiring developers to label games that use AI “makes no sense.” "I think it's really irresponsible of Valve. They shouldn't do it, because it makes it much, much, much harder for a game developer to have a chance of success. You have to choose from either not using tools that can make you way more productive, and probably failing due to competition that does." He also warned that these labels could make it easier for people to review-bomb games, especially those made by smaller studios.

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Mortiel@Mortiel·13h

I disagree. Epic would be objectively worse than Microsoft if they had the market share of Valve. They already are publicly trying to coerce other distributors into price fixing their revenue share at artificially low rates to prevent competitors from entering the market.

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I refused to support the EGS for years, and openly said as much on my streams and in the discord, but I think I need to say something here as well. If Tim Sweeney gets the sway and power over the gaming scene he wants Epic would be as bad as Microsoft. They want control, (cont)

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Mortiel@Mortiel·13h

@jalpztst20 @CypherSirosicks Although it's not better than Steam. And it could have been, easily. Instead, it launched without basic store features like a shopping cart.

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El Chamuco@jalpztst20·15h

@CypherSirosicks I mean, if Tim really cared he would launch a storefront that's better than Valve and where devs that make heavy use of AI can thrive. Ohh, wait... that's been a thing since 2018 and hasn't moved an inch. 😂

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Mariaster@CypherSirosicks·1d

I haven't seen a single comment from Sweeney against Valve that doesn't boil down to: "They're treating their users too well. Why aren't they fucking everyone over like we are. That's not fair >:( grrr"

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Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney believes Valve is irresponsible for forcing AI disclosures on Steam. 🔗 wccf.tech/1kpk4 "I think it's really irresponsible of Valve. They shouldn't do it, because it makes it much, much, much harder for a game developer to have a chance of success. You have to choose from either not using tools that can make you way more productive, and probably failing due to competition that does."

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Klara@klara_sjo·1d

Do you guys like it when I post, or not really?

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Mortiel@Mortiel·14h

@Dominos_UK News from next week: "Dominos UK confirms it'll start offering pre-orders for digital pizza this October." "Same mediocre pizza, but now in gif format!"

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Domino's Pizza UK@Dominos_UK·1d

someone explain to me why you have to pre-order a digital copy

Pop Base@PopBase

‘GTA 6’ will cost $79.99 USD and the Ultimate Edition $99.99 USD. Pre-orders go live at midnight.

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Mortiel@Mortiel·14h

Only major studios have received backlash for AI usage, with one of those cases caused by a "journalist" publishing an deceptively edited interview. It's almost like Timmy is afraid consumers don't want to buy the inevitable AI shovelware made using his upcoming AI-centric UE6.

Tim Sweeney replies to backlash against his stance on Valve’s Steam AI disclosure policy, arguing it enables “opposition mobs” to target and attack games using AI tools and their Steam partner developers. “Valve well knows that there are opposition mobs using this as a signal to attack games and developers that are Steam partners and 30% taxpayers. Imagine if Valve required developers to disclose their political affiliation back when cancel campaigns were in full force.”

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Mortiel@Mortiel·15h

@trentreed27 I've never been a fan of the franchise and maybe clocked a dozen hours total between III, IV, and V.

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Trent Reed@trentreed27·15h

@Mortiel Bro same! I bought into the hype in 2013 but it never really clicked with me.

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Trent Reed@trentreed27·1d

What’s a game everyone says is a masterpiece… …but you just couldn’t get into? No judging. I’m genuinely curious.

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Mortiel@Mortiel·15h

My hottest nuclear take is that IP law is largely the reason we have such anti-competitive tech megacorps today. While my problem is mostly with patent law specifically, the DMCA gave way to much power to corps in policing what they *feel* is copyright infringement.

Grummz@Grummz

It's wild that copyright law only seems to benefit large corporations to sue Grandma's for downloading a song or two, and then gets yeeted as soon as it's inconvenient for AI. Yet here we are. It was decided AI was too important to trifle with such things. But don't you dare download a song yourself, that's still the death penalty.

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Mortiel@Mortiel·16h

@iceforeyes I'd be careful there... The drones that buy the same FIFA and Madden game every year only to get farmed for ultimate team packs might disprove your point. 🤣 But yeah, notably PC gamers tend to be more vigilant against corporate shenanigans.

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iceforeyes@iceforeyes·16h

@Mortiel In the case of gamers it is less about how smart we are, and more about the fact that we are "awake" When a person sits on a couch to watch TV eating a snack their brain is off, playing a game requires reflexes problem solving hand/eye coordination etc. Our brains are not off.

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Mortiel@Mortiel·1d

If you ever wonder why the Epic Games Store will never be as well-liked as Steam: Epic chooses repeatedly to put publishers above consumers, then uses "think of the poor devs!" as a shield. Based on how successful EGS has been, it seems like no one is buying the shtick.

Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney has called Valve’s AI disclosure policy on Steam “irresponsible,” arguing that forcing developers to label games using AI could unfairly target smaller studios. Sweeney believes AI will soon be a normal part of game development, so requiring developers to label games that use AI “makes no sense.” "I think it's really irresponsible of Valve. They shouldn't do it, because it makes it much, much, much harder for a game developer to have a chance of success. You have to choose from either not using tools that can make you way more productive, and probably failing due to competition that does." He also warned that these labels could make it easier for people to review-bomb games, especially those made by smaller studios.

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Derek Hollan@Derek_Hollan·1d

"...your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should." - Dr. Ian Malcolm, Jurassic Park.

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Mortiel@Mortiel·16h

I get that email "<Insert Game> and 25 other games on your wishlist are on sale" and I know it's time once again for Valve's quarterly wallet raid. 🤣

Wesley ✨@wesleytypes

Steam Summer Sale is here.

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Mortiel@Mortiel·17h

@iceforeyes Most consumers are not as dumb as corporations think, they just tolerate a lot so long as it's not blatantly inconvenient. Epic made the mistake of being blatantly inconvenient. 🤣

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iceforeyes@iceforeyes·18h

@Mortiel And true gamers never will.

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Mortiel@Mortiel·1d

@OhNoItsAlexx Isn't that what they already do for console games?

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Alex@OhNoItsAlexx·1d

If I were a game development studio or game publisher, I would be scrambling to figure out the best ways to optimize games for lower end hardware immediately

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Mortiel@Mortiel·1d

For all of of you who pre-ordered this, I hope the game runs at 5 FPS on release. You fuckers never learn your fucking lesson.

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Mortiel@Mortiel·1d

@RagnarNordstrom @RdHdSteppeson Well, sort of. As is, Valve can, for example, keep making a massive $1 billion a year profit every year. Everyone is happy. But public shareholders wouldn't be, because it's not growing. Valve would need to show growth every year, and couldn't just bank profits like they do now.

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Janne Nordstrom@RagnarNordstrom·1d

@Mortiel @RdHdSteppeson If Valve were a public company, I'd say they put their sharefolders first in a spectacular fashion. The company makes money hand over fist and their customers love it. It is the epitome of a good company.

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Red Headed Steppeson@RdHdSteppeson·1d

Tim’s big issue, and it’s reflected in Epic’s entire strategy, and why Valve succeeded and will continue to assuming they stick with it. Valve is not like innately better or more benevolent. Well, maybe a little, but at the end of the day they are a business, and out for their benefit. Which, in an ideal world, is about making the product customers want at a price they can afford. Epic is doing the same, but the issue is in who their customer is. For Valve, players are the consumers and the product they sell is access to the developers and publishers. To that end they facilitate things via consumer facing features that better facilitate this. For Epic, though, the publishers and developers are the customers. This is why all their strategy was targeted at them, lower cuts and all. The players are a resource they want to give access to but they fail to understand cultivating it. They tried brute forcing it with exclusives and free games but lacked even basic player friendly features and to this day are way behind. Their concern is, as demonstrated here, about how these things affect the developer. Valve’s premise is based in the idea that customers want to know and it costs them nothing. Epic’s is that their customers want to hide it. It’s ‘unfair’ to their customers. Meanwhile, Valve goes after price parity cus it’s ‘unfair’ to THEIR customers. Once you figure out how a company is oriented this way their behavior makes sense, stripped of moral pretenses.

Epic Games CEO Tim Sweeney has called Valve’s AI disclosure policy on Steam “irresponsible,” arguing that forcing developers to label games using AI could unfairly target smaller studios. Sweeney believes AI will soon be a normal part of game development, so requiring developers to label games that use AI “makes no sense.” "I think it's really irresponsible of Valve. They shouldn't do it, because it makes it much, much, much harder for a game developer to have a chance of success. You have to choose from either not using tools that can make you way more productive, and probably failing due to competition that does." He also warned that these labels could make it easier for people to review-bomb games, especially those made by smaller studios.

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Mortiel@Mortiel·1d

Complaining about a requested transparency policy is a perfect example of this. This disclosure has only caused controversy when large publishers use AI while laying off hundreds of developers (although AI didn't cause the layoffs, but I digress). Sweeney is against consumers.

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