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@mancakefort A friend pointed out comic Paul looks like hide the pain Harold and I haven't been able to unsee it since. I don't even call comic Paul Paul anymore, he's Harold to me.

Paul looks way better in the show to be honest

@millsbattery @ComOnMove @Woodlandbuckle I'm very sorry for deleting and reposting just yeah I wanted to make sure I had it spoiler tagged for show onlys, just yeah this is my take on that

@MrRagoon @ComOnMove @Woodlandbuckle I know mark does some time travel shit, and there's the damn near world ending event. But the entire planet earth LITERALLY exploded with Gohan

If Gohan went through half the stuff Mark did he’d be turn Beast in 2 months

@Libertarista @OG_Zig_Zag @Woodlandbuckle Oh yeah I can agree that Gohan had the worse childhood. I def should've lead with that in retrospect I admit. Just yeah like you said, I always just meant that taking Mark's entire life especially the future into consideration, I would consider his suffering worse than Gohan's.

@MrRagoon @OG_Zig_Zag @Woodlandbuckle No digo que Gohan haya sufrido más en total, pero de mucho más joven, lo cual creo que requiere de más resistencia mental. Lo sé, me he leído los comics, en el futuro Mark sufre muchísimo más de lo que ha sufrido Gohan. Sobre todo con su "viaje" y con la"reorganización" de héroes

@millsbattery @ComOnMove @Woodlandbuckle Okay see here's the problem. I want to bring up things that haven't been animated in the show yet but I also want to look out for show onlys. Just all I can really say is there's a future arc that is very comparable to what you're describing, I don't want to spoil beyond that.

@MrRagoon @ComOnMove @Woodlandbuckle So you need to be reminded that it was partly Gohan's fault that the entire world was destroyed in the Buu saga bc of his ego flexing? Just because they came back doesn't mean that shit didn't happen

@ComOnMove @millsbattery @Woodlandbuckle Mark became a super hero when he was 17, he was older than Gohan sure, but it's still a young age. Especially too young to get smashed open by Battle Beast and brutalized by his father while using Mark's body to brutalize innocents and fail to save them all in just his first year

@MrRagoon @millsbattery @Woodlandbuckle Mark is again 18 are we really saying an 18 year old suffered more than a 4 year old I want you to kill A 4 year old dad infront of their face see how that 4 year old act

@millsbattery @Woodlandbuckle Nolan basically tricked him to get to a planet he had no immediate way to get home from to have a death match against 3 viltrumites he had no time to train for. You have the Invincible War where he becomes loathed for things his alternate versions did, Viltrumite war, etc.

@millsbattery @Woodlandbuckle Mark was 17 though, that's still very young, and he really never gets to make a proper choice. Everytime he tries to commit to a non super hero part of his life (College, Amber, Eve), the conflict will actively seek him out and make sure he can never properly live it.

@Grimdogx @Woodlandbuckle Like fwiw, I'm not denying Gohan had a worse childhood than Mark But in this comparison, we're using Mark's entire life, which is filled a bunch of betrayal, recoome level beatdowns every other fight, mental torment on literal cosmic levels (trust me i do mean literally), etc

@Grimdogx @Woodlandbuckle But that's still so much instant trauma and trust issues caused by the man he was sure was his loving father for almost two decades. Gohan always knew Goku loved him and even got attached to his mentor Piccolo despite his harshness. Mark's memories of his dad were forever tainted

@millsbattery @Woodlandbuckle (Sorry for blowing up your notifs, I can't edit tweets and there was a really funny spelling error)

@millsbattery @Woodlandbuckle Mark's entire life once he became a superhero has him almost die constantly though. All Gohan really has over that is he started earlier imo. Mark got his insides rearranged by Battle Beast and Conquest. Mark also wanted to quit being a hero multiples time but is unable to.

@sparkingfrost @millsbattery @OG_Zig_Zag @Woodlandbuckle If I may also bring up Battle Beast, Mark did get an entire hole smashed through his chest that the medics weren't sure he'd survive. All while spotting his dad above having watched the fight and doing nothing to help him.

@MrRagoon @millsbattery @OG_Zig_Zag @Woodlandbuckle I know you are talking about marks recovery, so slightly off topic, but here Gohan is literally dying and his own ally is calling him pathetic, Gohan is literally 5 years old right now

@Libertarista @OG_Zig_Zag @Woodlandbuckle I'm not trying to say Gohan didn't suffer, believe me. I also want to talk more about the mental trauma Mark goes through in the rest of the comic but I don't want to spoil any show only watcher that comes into this thread. Just the context for all of these are so insane.

@MrRagoon @OG_Zig_Zag @Woodlandbuckle Solo estás contando dolor físico, Gohan a los 4 o 5 años fue secuestrado por su tío, luego su padre murió, sin saber el nada de las dragón balls, y fue forzado a vivir un año solo en la naturaleza para luego entrenar con un Picolo aún pelín malvado que le daba palizas a diario

@Libertarista @OG_Zig_Zag @Woodlandbuckle To be fair, he started at 17, not an adult quite yet. Plus it's not just the violence, I do just believe that Mark must've been in more pain than Gohan here. Plus Mark witnessing death has more impact in my opinion, dragonballs will at least always give Gohan some form of hope.

@MrRagoon @OG_Zig_Zag @Woodlandbuckle Porque la escena sea más desagradable no significa que sea peor, Gohan perdió a su padre 2 o 3 veces antes de poder conducir. Mark empieza a sufrir cuando ya es un adulto

@Unolupe7 @OG_Zig_Zag @Woodlandbuckle Mark wasn't going to be able to heal from this without help either tbf, viltrumites need some form of medical attention for more intense injuries. Nolan states that they need to look for something because he just wasn't healing properly during his coma that went on for months.

@MrRagoon @OG_Zig_Zag @Woodlandbuckle He's practically already seeing king yemma his life already dimmed from his eyes. Mark can at least heal cause of his DNA. Gohan is just dying he doesn't move or say anything once the kick lands and has to be fed the senzu. Goku even brings up they're power level fading fast

@Unolupe7 @OG_Zig_Zag @Woodlandbuckle Tbf, I don't think gurgling and saying "help" a few times makes Gohan's state much better. Like Gohan at least has his insides still inside.

@MrRagoon @OG_Zig_Zag @Woodlandbuckle One of these guys is still able to talk I'm seeing

@millsbattery @sparkingfrost @OG_Zig_Zag @Woodlandbuckle Nolan says while Mark is in a coma that he isn't healing properly and needed better protein otherwise he's die. Viltrumites can heal but they still need medical help in situations like this, it's why Mark still ends up in Cecil's hospital quite a bit.

@MrRagoon @sparkingfrost @OG_Zig_Zag @Woodlandbuckle Senzu beans can heal from life threatening injuries. And mark texhnically could've healed on his own, all his dad did was make sure the alien life wouldn't eat him while he healed. Gohan would've died bc saiyans don't have a healing factor like viltrumites.

@Woodlandbuckle Like again just to be clear, especially going by the ENTIRE comic, where there's absolute nightmares both physically and mentally waiting for Mark that the show hasn't covered yet. Last 1/3rd of Invincible would legit torture this poor guy for sport.

@Woodlandbuckle Like I see posts of young Gohan getting beat up and I'm like yeah that's rough...but I also can't help but notice he keeps his guts inside all of these moments. Like he's just not outsuffering Mark, especially if we go by the entire comic run.

@RiceKwispy @OG_Zig_Zag @Woodlandbuckle Tbf I wasn't ever saying Gohan didn't suffer at all Just in comparison, Invincible actively loves to make Mark suffer, it's like a sport. Like that healing cheat code DB has vs Invincible going "no he's going in a coma for months and almost dying anyway" is a solid example imo.

@MrRagoon @OG_Zig_Zag @Woodlandbuckle Nigga Gohan had his SPINE AND NECK broken in that picture. Just because DB has cheat codes to heal fast doesn’t mean that’s still not fucking horrifying to go through. Imagine you legitimately haven’t even been sentient for over a year and now you were brutalized and crippled

@Grimdogx @Woodlandbuckle Plus relatively, Gohan is allowed to have much more of a life than Mark later on. Mark had to quit college due to his life, lost his first girlfriend due to his life, laughs at the idea of having a normal job with his life. Even with Eve his life takes him away from her a lot.

@Grimdogx @Woodlandbuckle A lot of his childhood kinda becomes null though once his father started beating him to death and saying that he doesn't actually care for him, his mother, or life on the planet while using Mark's body to kill thousands, like Mark struggles to even look at past photos with Nolan