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Omar N.

@NexusHistory

Interested in psychology, philosophy, and biblical criticism | agnostic theist

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Luke’s inflated claim of an Augustan census covering the entire “empire” (οἰκουμένη) need not warrant the implication of a simultaneous worldwide census. It is likely that Luke’s account reflects a provincial understanding of a multi-hinged imperial policy ..1/8
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Only Luke reports that Jesus was born during a Roman census. As Luke describes it, the census had three features. - 1. Its purpose was to count everyone in the Roman Empire (2:1). - 2. It took place while Quirinius was governor of Syria (2:2) and during the reign of King Herod: John is born in the days of Herod (1 :5) and Mary's pregnancy is linked to Elizabeth's (1 :36, 43). - 3. It required people to travel to the cities of their ancestors to be counted (2:3-5). Luke's information about the census is confused and mistaken on all three points. Let's take them up one at a time. - 1. There is no evidence of any empire-wide census under Augustus and no evidence that Romans ever tried to count everyone in their empire in one census. - 2. Quirinius began governing Syria in 6 CE. He oversaw one (and only one) census, which included Judea (where Bethlehem is located) but not Galilee (where Nazareth is located), since Galilee was not in his jurisdiction. - 3. This census took place in 6 or 7 CE, ten years after the death of Herod the Great, in whose reign Luke situates the births of John and Jesus (1 :5). Luke refers to this census again in Acts 5:37, where he correctly associates it with a rebellion led by Judas the Galilean. However, Luke mistakenly places this 6 CE census and rebellion after another uprising led by someone named Theudas, which actually occurred around 45 CE. Remember, he is writing at least ninety years after Jesus' birth. A mistake of ten years or so is easy enough to make from that far away. But there may be a specific reason for his mistake. Both the death of Herod in 4 BCE (which Matthew places shortly after the birth of Jesus) and Quirinius' census ten years later sparked Jewish uprisings. Both uprisings provoked Roman military responses, the first involving widespread death and destruction in Galilee, the second ending in the imposition of direct Roman rule and taxation in Judea. We know that Quirinius was not in Syria before 6 CE, and there is no evidence that he conducted more than one census. The "first census" does not mean the first of two under Quirinius, but the first Roman census in the area. Other defenders of Luke's historical accuracy point out that the Greek word for "first" can sometimes mean "prior," which would make 2:2 refer to a census prior to Quirinius'. That meaning, however, violates the Greek grammar of 2:2. Besides that, it does not fit Luke's context, in which the census is a Roman one, ordered by the emperor (2:1). But Judea was not under direct Roman rule until Quirinius took it over and so any census prior to his term as governor would not have been a Roman one. - There is no evidence that any Roman census required people to travel to their ancestral cities to be counted. Romans counted people where they lived because that is where they were taxed. People in small villages might be sent to a nearby town that served as an administrative center (rather like a rural county seat), but that is not what Luke envisions. The process described by Luke would create major disruptions in farming and business, the very activities that generated Roman taxes. It would miss those who had immigrated from distant lands or who did not know exactly where their ancestors had lived. Besides, many ancestral towns had been destroyed in the centuries of warfare and not rebuilt. Where would people with roots in those vanished places go? Finally, Quirinius' census was for Judea and did not include Galilee, so it makes little sense for Joseph to travel from Galilee to be counted in a jurisdiction where he did not reside. Luke relied on faulty information or he invented the census to create a setting for his narrative. In either case, there is no historical basis for Luke's explanation of how Jesus happened to be born in Bethlehem.

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Omar N.@NexusHistory·
events of empire-wide import, Luke’s statements about the Roman oikoumenē are by no means wild fantasies or unreliable fictions, but rather informed perceptions from a first-century observer on the ground in the eastern provinces of the empire” (“Censor,” pg. 351-352).. 8/8
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“general census” isn’t hard to defend (see Béatrice Le Teuff, “Les recensements augustéens, aux origines de l’Empire,” Pallas, 96 [2014]). Accordingly, as Giambrone concludes, “while Lukan discourse about the whole oikoumenē must be intelligently heard as a manner of evoking… 7/
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Deen@Deenresponds·
Would you guys be interested in me writing a document on how surah maryam shows the Quran has in depth knowledge on Luke 1 and is reviving an earlier tradition of john the baptist not being depicted as less important as jesus?
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Omar N.@NexusHistory·
@yhbryankimiq You needed a “276 IQ” to figure out UFO’s don’t exist?
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YoungHoon Kim@yhbryankimiq·
As World's Highest IQ Record Holder, I declare that UFO does not exist. The only real truth is God’s creation revealed in the Bible. We do not believe in the unidentified. We believe in God, Jesus Christ.
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An Antiochian Norwegian@altrightpilled·
@NexusHistory @AEnjoyer447201 We should not dismiss any book purely because it argues for a certain position, this is certainly the case when all of these are respected scholars. We should read their work with humility and respect instead of spouting slander about biases we think people have.
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Omar N.@NexusHistory·
@JoelMCurzon Yeah, but the relevant part is only 40 minutes. Obviously I won’t respond to the entire video, that would be silly.
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Joel M. Curzon@JoelMCurzon·
@NexusHistory Oh my gawd. . . is it really 6 hours long? With so little evidence to analyze? What?!?
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Robert Armel
Robert Armel@realRobertArmel·
Reading right now: Use of Sources in Ancient Compositions - James W. Barker No solution to the synoptic problem can be eliminated by arguing that it is logistically too complex. Quite good. And free. Grab it. digitalcommons.wku.edu/fac_staff_pape…
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Joel M. Curzon
Joel M. Curzon@JoelMCurzon·
Dogmata I don’t believe: • Jesus rose from the dead. • Muhammad split the moon. • Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon from a genuine ancient record. • Transubstantiation. • The Incarnation. • The Virgin Birth. • “Trans women are women!”
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