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Clinging to the phrase "a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman" is to tacitly admit that you can think of nothing that trans women share in common with natal females.
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Information Expert. Just answering questions. Sense of self stolen by identity thieves. please be patient you have autism. humans dni
something to offend everyone Katılım Ağustos 2017
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@missxlayy @CrunchAlias What was the empirical observation that informed this conclusion that "gender" exists, let alone develops in the embryo (or at any time), or for that matter cannot be changed?
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@CrunchAlias biologist here (genetics), so an individual (in X terms) cannot change genders as it is developed in the embryo. what a trans woman does for ex is match the biochemistry of her body to match her gender. pre transition she would only be a "gay man" as a social construct.
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If you think a gay man can become a straight woman, you believe in conversion therapy.
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@ostrasyn @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok That is the point ergo wishes to make but fails to do so for the reasons articulated repeatedly, which you continuously fail to address.
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@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok The whole point is that neither you nor Emma are applying the "general biological reasoning" you think you are.
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@richtofenlover @RadFemme74 @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @LegacyMediaFail @tatapansepatu @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @UglyManZoo @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok @_Witch_of_Aeaea Males are not women.
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@ostrasyn @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @ergo_praxis There is nothing normative involved.
You continue to project nonsense because you think concretely.
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@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @ergo_praxis You keep insisting that yours is "general biological reasoning." But that doesn't appear to be the case, unless you're including your normative demands as part of that reasoning. Which would make it strange then to call it "general biological reasoning."
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@ostrasyn @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @ergo_praxis Nope. There is no such implication. You're just enamoured of your deconstruction and not able to consider anything else. Concrete thinking traps your ilk as ever.
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@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @ergo_praxis It's also worth noting that "what the individual considers to be good" was something I touched on earlier: Although, the point there was that it's what you consider to be good, your normative demands, that are doing most of the work here (x.com/ostrasyn/statu…).
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@NoRedText @MarsJaneM @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @RadFemme74 @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @tatapansepatu @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok @_Witch_of_Aeaea just a description of "material reality"? That's an articulation of a view of how the world ought to be.
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It is not incorrect. You simply are unable to avoid concrete thinking because as with all AGPs you are profoundly autistic.
His DSD argument is given in service of his attempt to make a point about troons, but nevertheless, he proposes an alternative conception of DSDs.
Literally he says something to the effect t of "a person may consider her testes to be the disorder" - testes, beibg a sexual development... and it being a putative disorder, it is therefore, ...what?
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@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok This ( ) is incorrect. For the reasons laid out above. You are choosing to ignore the context, even after it's been made clear. I have no idea why.
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@ostrasyn @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok That is the conclusion he wished to draw from his alternative conception of DSDs - that anything could be a disorder relative to what the individual considers to be good. You do not understand that which you cling to.
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Yes, that's ego's point, and he uses this point to propose a new conception of DSDs, as part of his argument - asserting that a person could consider their testes a disorder on that basis - this would be a DSD, literally a disorder as he puts it, if sexual development - with the implication this is as consistent, parsimonious et al as the general biological reasoning Hilton applies.
It is, as noted, built on a false premise: DSDs and the general biological reasoning are not defined or performed in relation to what the individual considers good. This is the problem of deconstruction - it is an extended fallacy of equivocation in this case regarding the word "should".
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@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok Their point was much more general: That you *need* an account of the person's good to make sense of the claims that you're making and that one could give an account that is at odds with the conclusions that yourself or Emma want to make.
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@Babygravy9 It is not too late to ruin their lives.
They each and every one need to be driven into misery, a lesson to whomever comes after that there are lines which you cannot even consider crossing.
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Remember when the British government considered exterminating all pet cats during the early days of the COVID-19 pandemic?
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The BBC says the UK needs to have LESS DOGS We all know why they're doing this It's blatantly obvious
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@NoRedText @HeqaKhasutGirl @NataliePokeTCG @LeChoisi101 She wasn’t above the testosterone limits anyway
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@brenda_archer @ostrasyn @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok Well, being both wrong and irrelevant certainly is an achievement.
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@NoRedText @ostrasyn @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok Under medical misogyny, DSDs are defined by how far they cause a female person to diverge from a sexist cultural role you refuse to acknowledge. The end result has been nonconsentual surgical normalization of children,that can cause lifetime damage.
All your bullsht is normative.
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@ostrasyn @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok That is the conclusion he wished to draw from his alternative conception of DSDs - that anything could be a disorder relative to what the individual considers to be good.
You do not understand that which you cling to.
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@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok That's not a separate point. The thread was about trans folk. That the discussion can have broader implications does not mean that that ceases to be the case. web.archive.org/web/2022011905…
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@ostrasyn @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok That is a separate point, and he can discuss multiple things.
As stated: you docnot understand that to which you cling, so desperately.
His entire argument revolves around proposing such a thing
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@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok No, ergo was very clear about what they were talking about in that thread: web.archive.org/web/2022011812…
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Ergo absolutely proposed an alternative conception of DSDs - developing as male instead of female, relative to what the person in question considers "good" - as his criticism, proposing this would be an equally parsimonious, consistent et al view.
You do not understand what you cling to so desperately.
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@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok ergo was not talking about DSDs.
No, this isn't "skepticism of biology in toto." It's skepticism of a very particular teleological argument used by GCs like yourself.
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Yours truly, not being a feminist is not a gender critical feminist.
Again, your only option is to give an alternative accounting of biology that does not rely upon the same logic.
Which you will not, because you cannot, as the logic is indeed foundational to all of biology and its derived fields.
You continue, as ever, to posture instead of pay up, maintaining the AGP fantasy only accommodates dissembling and evasion.
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It is dogshit and evidently so
Because, as noted, it is built on false premises- no DSD is defined in terms of the personal preferences of the individual.
Even conceding all of ergopraxis' premises it establishes nothing with regard to Hilton's position.
Insofar as you might consider this a criticism it is because it applies to biology in toto. You are free to be a radical sceptic of biology but it firmly establishes that you have nothing to continue on matters of biology.
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@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok What criticism? You've only repeatedly said that it's "dogshit" and doubled down on the very thing that they are criticising.
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One has repeatedly said that it is built on false premises and serves not at all to demonstate an issue with Hilton's logic.
The only time you engaged with this was to deploy the typical progressive tactic of actual or pretend miscomprehension, because, again, this is all that is available to you.
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@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok You can just say that you don't understand it?
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Insofar as "normative" applies it is either banal and true, or remarkable and wrong.
You continue to have actually made an argument and your continued posturing changes this, not at all
You could have countered by giving an account of health, species, endocrine disruption, for example, that fulfilled your requirements without the sort of counter factual reasoning yours truly and Hilton advocate, but, of course, you did not because you cannot.
You have studiously avoided addressing every counter argument or request for clarification, because, again, you can do neither.
And you never addressed your many failings regarding Khelif.
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@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok There is no other way of making sense of your position. It's a normative one with respect to biology. It isn't "just biology."
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One has not used the word "ought", that, again, is all your invention.
You continue to joust against biology in total and health, in particular.
One is happy to discuss your off metaphysics onve you concede you have nothing to contribute on the subject of biology and its derived fields.
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@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok I mean, you're just straightforwardly begging the question here: x.com/ostrasyn/statu…
"Completely normally" just means that things went as you say they *ought to* go. But where are you getting _that_ from?
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@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok "completed normally" (x.com/ostrasyn/statu…). Sounds like you're begging the question.
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@ostrasyn @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok One has made no reference to the good.
And nor did Hitlon
Once again: insofar as you have an issue with anything it is with the notion of health, biokogy et al. You have nothing meaningful to contribute.
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@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok Your only novel contribution is doubling down on the notion that you have grasped the "design" so accurately that you cannot err in determinations of the organism's good—these are just a given to you.
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@ostrasyn @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok Yes. Hilton has no issues either.
What are you not understanding here? Ergopracus' thread establishes nothing and is built on false premises.
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@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok I genuinely don't feel the need to do more than link to that thread as it's clear that you are simply recycling fundamentally the same argument Emma makes, but substituting the words "but for" with "as expected, without decency or disorder."
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It has no issues.
Ergopraxis does not demonstate any, as demonstrated. In no small part because his argument rests upon a false premise or equivocation, as has been pointed out to you, repeatedly.
It is how all biological reasoning proceeds.
Insofar as you have an issue with it, you have an issue with biology and all derived fields.
More power to you, but it utterly disqualifies you from saying anything meaningful about biology.
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@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok Right, so that's just the same as Emma's "but for," which was discussed here: x.com/ostrasyn/statu…
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@NoRedText @tatapansepatu @shamanspirit13 @RadFemme74 @richtofenlover @hasitcometothat @vanessa_blk @Biotransgurl @coolaunt2021 @FluffWingBirdie @ladyofcin_1 @BiardMacGuineas @cptmbf @MarsJaneM @SocialistSauce @uzidmanslefttit @huntcraw @Dorasalter @fletcherkathy8 @kittywoodoshea @bluebirdjam @brenda_archer @Stillweeping2 @Qyilldrisstessa @K60617909 @ghostoftoast @whackam0l3lol @Hereticalturf @EffinMaggie @TheGoldenMask5 @f3ck13ss @Catfan2506 @JLippy76 @VelvetLandmine @applecookedback @Lucifer_mortala @h_alliekat @latsot @0Tamahawk3 @StitchingSin @DerpyErika @KeirGale @GenderNeutralWC @JJAngie677204 @ffenics @BolyardLaura @AfterDeathTrut1 @GoodbyesToLight @89Batmobile89 @grok Your "as expected, without disorder or deficiency," is nothing but Emma's "but for." And it carries the same issues.
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