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Clare Page : No Secret Lessons
Clare Page : No Secret Lessons@NoSecretLessons·
In Sept the Information Commissioner's Office delivered a Decision Notice that supported a London secondary school in keeping a Relationships and Sex Education lesson hidden from parents. I am Appealing against that decision in a First Tier Tribunal. Please support my case.🙏
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Clare Page : No Secret Lessons
Clare Page : No Secret Lessons@NoSecretLessons·
@Heretixx66 @ruth_dixon I think the entire premise of having to go to court and claim discrimnation using whatever various characteristics you want to claim just to show that it’s wrong for a man to be in a sss is absurd. The EA2010 is nonsense.
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Clare Page : No Secret Lessons
Clare Page : No Secret Lessons@NoSecretLessons·
So, when it comes to rights and protections under the Equality Act from the risk of sexual assault, exhibitionism or voyeurism by men in women’s toilets or changing rooms, it turns out some women are more Equal than others! If you’re a traumatised Muslim you have more grounds than other women to establish discrimination or harassment when faced with what is actually a universally applicable threat to all women when cross dressing men are allowed into their toilets or changing space. This is the perfect exposure of how utterly stupid the Forstater case was and how unprincipled, divisive and identitarian the EA2010 is in the first place. Women have to throw all their ‘beliefs’, traumas and personal needs (from religious covering in this case to menstrual flooding in the Peggy case) just to ensure the obvious, universal ‘wrong’ of unacceptably intrusive behaviour by men is stopped - not because it’s just obviously wrong, but because it upsets some special characteristic or weakness they have to emphasise. This is back-to-front, demeaning, two tier law that needs to go. It creates endless cases for women who must fight on the back foot, inventing reasons for discrimnation relating to their identity, trying to prove they have a special protection to be safe, whilst lawyers get rich representing them against ideologically possessed organisations prepared to hold out against the SC ruling. The idea is that eventually most workplaces will get the idea that it’s not worth the compensation risk and will reestablish single sex spaces. But this discounts that some orgs are ideologically possessed, have deep pockets and wish to drag this out. Why on Earth should one more woman have to go through this nonsense of making up reasons why she should be safe?
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Loreli@LoreleiLiBan·
@AlessandraAster @olivialiv321 @NoSecretLessons Its the perfect grift let women loose everything perpetuate male dominiation and abuse through 'trans' and then let them spend 1000s to get back a few crumbs which yields more cases. Rinse and repeat. Embedding the idea that woman is a belief and our rights are a mere belief also
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Clare Page : No Secret Lessons
Clare Page : No Secret Lessons@NoSecretLessons·
Do you (if you are not a Muslim) have the opportunity to add the grounds of religious belief not to bare yourself in front of a man in an EA case? Indeed, what about someone who doesn’t have PTSD… or indeed doesn’t have a GC Belief? Why do they have less opportunity to argue a case under the EA than another woman? You don’t understand my point. The point is that the EA causes absurdly differentiated arguments based on exposing women’s personal circumstances, when what should be happening is that men should be removed from sss immediately as a matter of course.
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GirlScout27@GirlScout27·
Yes you did, you said "So, when it comes to rights and protections under the Equality Act from the risk of sexual assault, exhibitionism or voyeurism by men in women’s toilets or changing rooms, it turns out some women are more Equal than others!" which is a complete load of bollocks.
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Clare Page : No Secret Lessons
Clare Page : No Secret Lessons@NoSecretLessons·
Well naturally everyone would like to throw everything at it they can when hoping to win… and perhaps Muslim women feel very strongly they should be protected on this ground as much as any other? It is clearly arguable. In fact, who knows, perhaps even a Muslim man would like to use the EA on this point in some circumstances?
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Olivia@olivialiv321·
@NoSecretLessons This judgement & SC ruling confirm EA sex exceptions are valid without caveat. No man has right to be in f SSS & that is enough. Post SC ruling there is no valid reason to put onus on women to cite trauma/defend reps & beliefs. Why this was ever done is of course worthy of debate
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Clare Page : No Secret Lessons
Clare Page : No Secret Lessons@NoSecretLessons·
I didn’t discuss the judgment, I referred to the various grounds argued - which whether they were the winning grounds or not, show how the EA is not good law. And I suggested it is absurd women have to keep going to court, revealing personal circumstances and trading on their identity or vulnerabilities to argue men shouldn’t be in their spaces. Why do you think it’s acceptable women should have to do that?
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Clare Page : No Secret Lessons
Clare Page : No Secret Lessons@NoSecretLessons·
The situation is roughly like this: We previously had the Sex Discrimination Act, which was amended to include ‘transsexuals’ which effectively gave them some ‘women’s rights’. This was replaced with the EA2010 which gave different PCs for Sex and Gender Reassignment, but the transvestites still tried to own the PC of Sex as well as Gender Reassignment - and worst of all, it was extended to children, which dragged gender non conforming (ie likely same sex attracted) kids into the mess. The LGB lobby have therefore tried to peg the T back to just the PC of GR and establish the PC of Sex is just for women, but otherwise seem to want to leave the EA2010 as is, as well keeping the GRA. I think this is because they favour ECHR membership, which makes it difficult for us to repeal, and they dont want anyone pushing back on wider LGBT or women’s rights, so they oppose repeal. Whereas most sensible people can see there simply should not be any special protections for cross sex impersonation at all and we should just repeal and probably go back to the SDA. And we certainly must extract children from being given the identity status of a transsexual, which is effectively what the PC of GR achieves.
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Ruth Dixon
Ruth Dixon@ruth_dixon·
@RadFemLawMama @NoSecretLessons If the EA is repealed, what legal grounds do we have for single sex spaces at all? You may be right, I'm no fan of these laws, but don't see how sweeping away all discrimination legislation (including sex discrimination) is the answer.
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Ruth Dixon
Ruth Dixon@ruth_dixon·
@NoSecretLessons Are you saying she was wrong to bring her case at all? She should just wait until the EA is amended?
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Clare Page : No Secret Lessons
Clare Page : No Secret Lessons@NoSecretLessons·
@RadFemLawMama Indeed, I don’t have ‘GC Beliefs’ - I think the whole concept is absurd - and so I presume I am unprotected on that count? How absurd it is that we would need to make such cases at all.
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the RadFem Lawmama@RadFemLawMama·
Everyone answering this post with "that's not what the judgement said" is missing the forest for the trees. The judgment DID say that she won because it violated her "GC beliefs" which is A PROBLEM. It never should have been argued that women's rights rest on subjective beliefs!
Clare Page : No Secret Lessons@NoSecretLessons

So, when it comes to rights and protections under the Equality Act from the risk of sexual assault, exhibitionism or voyeurism by men in women’s toilets or changing rooms, it turns out some women are more Equal than others! If you’re a traumatised Muslim you have more grounds than other women to establish discrimination or harassment when faced with what is actually a universally applicable threat to all women when cross dressing men are allowed into their toilets or changing space. This is the perfect exposure of how utterly stupid the Forstater case was and how unprincipled, divisive and identitarian the EA2010 is in the first place. Women have to throw all their ‘beliefs’, traumas and personal needs (from religious covering in this case to menstrual flooding in the Peggy case) just to ensure the obvious, universal ‘wrong’ of unacceptably intrusive behaviour by men is stopped - not because it’s just obviously wrong, but because it upsets some special characteristic or weakness they have to emphasise. This is back-to-front, demeaning, two tier law that needs to go. It creates endless cases for women who must fight on the back foot, inventing reasons for discrimnation relating to their identity, trying to prove they have a special protection to be safe, whilst lawyers get rich representing them against ideologically possessed organisations prepared to hold out against the SC ruling. The idea is that eventually most workplaces will get the idea that it’s not worth the compensation risk and will reestablish single sex spaces. But this discounts that some orgs are ideologically possessed, have deep pockets and wish to drag this out. Why on Earth should one more woman have to go through this nonsense of making up reasons why she should be safe?

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Clare Page : No Secret Lessons
Clare Page : No Secret Lessons@NoSecretLessons·
“Hopefully” That’s what the GC team are asking us to bank on - just hope! Hopefully these cases will filter through… hopefully insurance companies will start to complain about payouts… hopefully sanity will return… despite incredibly badly defined law, despite widespread ideological capture, despite people with obsessional compulsions to test the boundaries of these rotten gender laws. Well I do not want to apply ‘hope’ that my daughters won’t have to play sports snd change with males, as they were asked to do in school. I want my democracy to legislate to stop this yesterday, so that not one more woman has to engage with these risks or lose their opportunities and then have to fight stressful, expensive court cases just to get back to what should be square one of a civilised society. And for that to happen we need repeal of the GRA and EA and the creation of prohibitions on men impersonating women in their spaces.
Audrey Ludwig MBE@AudreySuffolk

@JeanRuane @treesey @NoSecretLessons Hopefully once these cases filtre through to HR professionals and the trade press, employers will recognise the risks of not complying . We had many years of legal misinformation and lack of political will to overcome

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Anita Wilcox@1RabbitInMyFlBd·
@Heretixx66 @NoSecretLessons @ruth_dixon Why do women have to go thru the Courts again & again to establish a Universal Truth that has already been clarified by the SC? This shd not be a lose win scenario! If the law is wrong, right it! Change it, repeal it!
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Loui 💚🤍💜
Loui 💚🤍💜@Heretixx66·
@NoSecretLessons @ruth_dixon People argue all sorts of things in court. Isn’t it good news that the court has decided that all women have the same rights to single sex services and that our right to them shouldn’t be based on religion or sexual assault status? Does that not make this a good result?
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la scapigliata@lascapigliata8·
What Clare says here will remain correct in practice, until we start seeing litigation citing only "because he is a man", not "because she is a rape survivor/has flooding periods/she's religious" ie. other PCs under the EA being necessary to afford *individual women* the right to privacy and dignity away from males, while policies remain compromised for all other women thanks to the nebulous gender laws". Sandie Peggie's case, just like all the others, did NOT end up with a female-only provision for all other women in her workplace. That's the real "case by case" basis, and biological sex doesn't seem to matter one iota (also see SCUK judgement and all it did not secure for women). This is why gender laws must be repealed, as they are the root cause of allowing sex falsification to turn the society, and especially protections for women and children, upside down.
Clare Page : No Secret Lessons@NoSecretLessons

So, when it comes to rights and protections under the Equality Act from the risk of sexual assault, exhibitionism or voyeurism by men in women’s toilets or changing rooms, it turns out some women are more Equal than others! If you’re a traumatised Muslim you have more grounds than other women to establish discrimination or harassment when faced with what is actually a universally applicable threat to all women when cross dressing men are allowed into their toilets or changing space. This is the perfect exposure of how utterly stupid the Forstater case was and how unprincipled, divisive and identitarian the EA2010 is in the first place. Women have to throw all their ‘beliefs’, traumas and personal needs (from religious covering in this case to menstrual flooding in the Peggy case) just to ensure the obvious, universal ‘wrong’ of unacceptably intrusive behaviour by men is stopped - not because it’s just obviously wrong, but because it upsets some special characteristic or weakness they have to emphasise. This is back-to-front, demeaning, two tier law that needs to go. It creates endless cases for women who must fight on the back foot, inventing reasons for discrimnation relating to their identity, trying to prove they have a special protection to be safe, whilst lawyers get rich representing them against ideologically possessed organisations prepared to hold out against the SC ruling. The idea is that eventually most workplaces will get the idea that it’s not worth the compensation risk and will reestablish single sex spaces. But this discounts that some orgs are ideologically possessed, have deep pockets and wish to drag this out. Why on Earth should one more woman have to go through this nonsense of making up reasons why she should be safe?

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la scapigliata@lascapigliata8·
Quite, Clare. There's little point in arguing with bad faith actors, because they were given these answers a million times already, and all court cases so far betrayed that you are right - incessent airing of personal trauma and trying to prove the exception of why this woman had the right to not change while a transvestite was leering at her, or had the right to refuse intimate care from a male crossdresser, when she asked for a woman. Instead of doing what they are meant to do and that is work to repeal dangerous laws that put us in this position in the first place.
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Audrey Ludwig MBE
Audrey Ludwig MBE@AudreySuffolk·
It is importantly not to comment on a case without reading the judgment carefully, which this poster hasn’t done. If she had she would realise that the judgment was not decided as she suggests it was.
Clare Page : No Secret Lessons@NoSecretLessons

So, when it comes to rights and protections under the Equality Act from the risk of sexual assault, exhibitionism or voyeurism by men in women’s toilets or changing rooms, it turns out some women are more Equal than others! If you’re a traumatised Muslim you have more grounds than other women to establish discrimination or harassment when faced with what is actually a universally applicable threat to all women when cross dressing men are allowed into their toilets or changing space. This is the perfect exposure of how utterly stupid the Forstater case was and how unprincipled, divisive and identitarian the EA2010 is in the first place. Women have to throw all their ‘beliefs’, traumas and personal needs (from religious covering in this case to menstrual flooding in the Peggy case) just to ensure the obvious, universal ‘wrong’ of unacceptably intrusive behaviour by men is stopped - not because it’s just obviously wrong, but because it upsets some special characteristic or weakness they have to emphasise. This is back-to-front, demeaning, two tier law that needs to go. It creates endless cases for women who must fight on the back foot, inventing reasons for discrimnation relating to their identity, trying to prove they have a special protection to be safe, whilst lawyers get rich representing them against ideologically possessed organisations prepared to hold out against the SC ruling. The idea is that eventually most workplaces will get the idea that it’s not worth the compensation risk and will reestablish single sex spaces. But this discounts that some orgs are ideologically possessed, have deep pockets and wish to drag this out. Why on Earth should one more woman have to go through this nonsense of making up reasons why she should be safe?

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Clare Page : No Secret Lessons
Clare Page : No Secret Lessons@NoSecretLessons·
It’s important not to comment on a post without reading it carefully, which Audrey has done. If she had she would realise that I didn’t discuss what the case was won on (ie sex) but the unfairly differing other *grounds* that women are able to use compared to others because of the dangerous identity politics embedded in the EA2010. Moreover, she has avoided my chief point, which is that it is absurd that any woman has to argue this matter with demeaning personal exposure under EA2010 law at all, because in a sane world gender laws would be repealed and men infiltrating women’s spaces would be rightly understood as inherently antisocial behaviour, quite possibly criminally so.
Audrey Ludwig MBE@AudreySuffolk

It is importantly not to comment on a case without reading the judgment carefully, which this poster hasn’t done. If she had she would realise that the judgment was not decided as she suggests it was.

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Clare Page : No Secret Lessons
Clare Page : No Secret Lessons@NoSecretLessons·
@olivialiv321 Won on that yes, but argued on the other grounds - and my chief point is that women should not have to be going into court clutching at all these personal straws to defend themselves.
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Olivia@olivialiv321·
@NoSecretLessons Agree with much of what you say; women should not have to keep going to court regarding this & orgs & public bodies should not be forcing them to share f SSS with men. This case won on grounds of sex (not religion/disability) which is *universally applicable* to all women.
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Ruth Dixon
Ruth Dixon@ruth_dixon·
@NoSecretLessons The judge explicitly rejected this view. LS won on the grounds of sex, not religion or disability. One does not have to be a woman "plus" any other pc, just a woman.
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Donkey Gender (he/haw)@Cantspekl·
@NoSecretLessons This is just wrong. Have you read the judgment? It found it did not need to consider whether Muslim women or women with PTSD were disadvantaged because it had already found that all women were disadvantaged.
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