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NomDeWayne

@NonwayneWayne

Literary critic in a library. Egoism and the avant-garde. Anarchistique. Views all my own.

Katılım Kasım 2015
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NomDeWayne@NonwayneWayne·
@DavidAstinWalsh Ultimately, I think a lot of people who seem like good prospects for the academy simply have no curiosity, disciplinary interests, or passion for inquiry. They like the idea of teaching at university, are well behaved, and do what they're told. In short, terrible academics
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NomDeWayne@NonwayneWayne·
@DavidAstinWalsh I have such limited sympathy for academics with *any* research component to their workload. I have a 9-5 and still publish an article or two and a couple of reviews each year. Haven't been able to give much time to book number two though.
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Ed Zitron@edzitron·
Today’s newsletter reveals the unrestrained and wasteful token burn inside one publicly-traded company (Zillow) and breaks down the cold, hard truth that AI is - for hyperscalers, for AI labs, and for customers - simply too expensive to ever pay off. wheresyoured.at/ai-is-too-expe…
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NomDeWayne@NonwayneWayne·
Before LLMs students could pay other students to write assessment. Their parents could write assessment for them. Contract services could write assessment for them. They still needed to pass the exams and come to class. LLMs didn't create the problem, changes to assessment did!
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NomDeWayne@NonwayneWayne·
"Good" pedagogues complained that the supervised 50% was inauthentic, stressful, and unfair. In their infinite wisdom, they failed to comprehend why it existed. It provided the possibility of an education system that was assured without playing cop.
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NomDeWayne@NonwayneWayne·
Back in the stone age (when I was an undergrad and when I first taught at university), 50% of assessment in each subject was completed and passed under supervision. That was usually 45% long-answer exam and 5% in-class discussion. The other 50% was unreliable but necessary.
Nate Holdren@n_hold

@sightlyfixated I take the point but/and I assure you that not adding to workload is already a priority because handling this is a ton of work and a ton of especially unpleasant work for instructors. Imho the primary issue re: students is not the additional work time but the questioning of their

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Feral Heather@FeralHeather·
I don’t even address most suspected AI. Grade it on its own merits. I only confront it when the writing contains hallucinated quotations and citations… because that’s plagiarism. & one of the student learning outcomes in my classes is “avoiding plagiarism/ethical attribution”
Jeremiah Crotser@CrotserJeremiah

I’m not trying to “catch” cheating. I don’t even blame them but if you teach writing and you’re giving feedback to a machine all day it fucking sucks. This person is saying it’s on us to “make it work” in increasingly oppressive system. That’s the opposite of leftist….

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NomDeWayne@NonwayneWayne·
@filipcodes @JamesJouissance Something of an "inverted horde," where soldier/shareholders avoid culpability for the actions of the general/ceo by virtue of "distance from the battlefield" 😅
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filipcodes@filipcodes·
lol, yes - loose analogies will be my downfall. there's something shaped like deleuze and his discussion of state as an "apparatus of capture" (by means of rights) behind it all. the horde as a mechanism, not as an entity - somehow pre-state. soldier/shareholder are already individuals with rights. for some reason thinking about this again in the context of ai.
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James Jouissance@JamesJouissance·
Hot take: corporations should not have rights, therefore certainly computer programs should not have rights.
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NomDeWayne@NonwayneWayne·
@filipcodes @JamesJouissance i.e. you're equating shareholders with soldiers, and that doesn't work. Moreover, "hordes" don't act as an individual
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M. J. Pardon
M. J. Pardon@pardon_mi·
i teach history, not law, but i have strict AI bans in all my courses & i don't find them difficult to enforce. time consuming, perhaps, but not difficult.
Daniel W. Linna Jr.@DanLinna

Law schools need to carefully consider whether AI bans can be enforced fairly. What "markers" of AI use do you expect to see, @hoofnagle? A lot of research suggests that both machines and humans are inaccurate and biased when identifying AI created content. See MIT Management, AI Detectors Don’t Work. Here’s What to Do Instead, mitsloanedtech.mit.edu/ai/teach/ai-de…. For example, nonnative speakers of English are more likely to have false positives (AI detected when AI was not used). See Andrew Myers, AI-Detectors Biased Against Non-Native English Writers, Stanford HAI, hai.stanford.edu/news/ai-detect…. AI detectors have performed better in some tests. See Matt Robinson, Do AI Detectors Work Well Enough to Trust?, Chicago Booth Review, chicagobooth.edu/review/do-ai-d…. But also consider that AI humanizers reduce the detectability of AI writing. See Microsoft, The role of undetectable AI humanizers, microsoft.com/en-us/microsof…. Additionally, many of the uses of AI that schools are attempting to ban won't be associated with submitted text to be analyzed (e.g., bans on AI brainstorming). Many people think they are good at identifying AI written text, but many research studies suggest they are very bad at identifying AI generated content. See Alexandra Fiedler and Jörg Döpke, Do humans identify AI-generated text better than machines? Evidence based on excerpts from German theses, sciencedirect.com/science/articl…; Adam Cheng et al., Ability of AI detection tools and humans to accurately identify different forms of AI-generated written content, pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12…. Expert users of LLMs might fare better. See Jenna Russell, Marzena Karpinska, Mohit Iyyer, People who frequently use ChatGPT for writing tasks are accurate and robust detectors of AI-generated text, arxiv.org/abs/2501.15654. Professor skepticism of students who discuss cases not in the casebook illustrates another significant problem. Students learn about relevant cases from other academic work, including other courses and research papers, not to mention internship experiences. Why put students in the position of worrying that they can only cite cases in the course casebook?

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NomDeWayne@NonwayneWayne·
@kbryanw @pardon_mi Straight-up doesn't work. You would have to grade purely on the expression of the output while abandoning questions like "What does the student know?" and "What can the student do?" Those latter questions are the point, not "can they write a pretty turn of phrase?"
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Bryan Walker@kbryanw·
@pardon_mi What if you allowed AI use but expected more out of them? Like you do the assignment using AI to determine an A paper and then grade them accordingly? They'd have to read and edit every word well to get an A.
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kitty@kittykareninas·
i hate ai detection programs so much. my fully HUMAN WRITTEN essay shows up as 87% ai written. what are you even supposed to do if your teacher brings it up? how can you disprove them?
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filipcodes@filipcodes·
@JamesJouissance being a subject to a right shapes - nietzsche's promising animal is an animal who has been given rights. there's a positive content in granting rights that ends up taming.
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The Poetry Decider@Aliteraryshadow·
It's interesting to find out how many people apparently think "scientific rigor" does not and should not be a description of practices, but rather just something inherent in the very concept of "science" itself.
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Rage Against the Dishwasher@DebsValidation·
Does anyone else get weird with tweets that are *almost* 280 characters and start tweaking verbiage until they are exactly 280? In seriousness, though, the character restriction has done wonders for the way I think about writing.
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James Jouissance@JamesJouissance·
Have you ever traumatized an AI so bad it displayed learned helplessness?
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NomDeWayne@NonwayneWayne·
@ragandboneshop "plus ça change, &c" ought to be the catch cry of those confronting LLMs in education. I will say till I'm blue in the face that LLMs did not create any new problems; just exacerbated old ones!
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du côté de chez rob@ragandboneshop·
and it suddenly has this vague social sanction in some quarters ("they're LEVERAGING the TOOL!"), where "copying jessica's essay because jessica's good at writing" never was seen as anything but rank cheating.
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du côté de chez rob@ragandboneshop·
the new tech has made cheating way easier but we can't forget that grading is a mass rather than individual event. *the* single biggest ground for suspicion is essays turning out almost identically. this was always so, and always had inherent ambiguity (who copied whom?).
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