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Noon
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@Noonitselfreal @TerryXIII @osushi_yee 金銭的なことしか考えてないからそういう発想になるんだね
"手に入れられたくない"権利を侵害してるんだけど、そういった権利関係の啓蒙がまだまだな地域なのかな？
日本語
海賊版利用者＝ただお金を払いたくない人って認識してる日本人が多すぎる
そう言う人も一定数はいるだろうけど、Steamの普及で海賊版が激減したように、正規品と海賊版の両方を選べる環境があれば大体の人は正規品を選ぶよ
海賊版の蔓延を防ぎたいなら企業が合法的に購入出来る手段を整えるべき
Altret 🦔@Altret_KnW
日本語
@WakaTakeTokyo @Soulofhate1 @CronatarTrieve @magozone23 There are objectively no profits to lose out on if there's no release.
English
@Noonitselfreal @Soulofhate1 @CronatarTrieve @magozone23 確かに現実的ではないよね
だから諦めるしかないじゃん
それでもどうしても観たいなら、自分の国でメジャーな配信会社に懇願するしかないね
個人で無理なら集団で、世論で訴えればいい
海賊版は著作権者の利益を削ぐもので、酷くなればコンテンツ自体がなくなる
ワガママ言うのは子供までにしときなよ
日本語
@lovePetitforeve @TerryXIII @osushi_yee If they don't want to sell, then they are losing nothing from Westerners pirating them.
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@TerryXIII @osushi_yee 買いたくないと売りたくないの違いがわからなさそうな人に私はどう答えたらいいのだろうか？
日本語
@CrauzNoel69642 @luckynosu This is the main point. I think one example is how we had to wait like, two decades for a Steel Ball Run translation to be officially made- of course fan translations would fill the gap.
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@luckynosu А почему люди должны были его ждать? Не хотите, чтобы пиратили - продавайте. Не хотите продавать - не возмущайтесь.
Русский
「海賊版のおかげで日本のコンテンツが人気になった」という発想自体がすでに「盗人猛々しい（ぬすっとたけだけしい）」のですよ。日本のコンテンツの供給をおとなしく待つことができず、あさましくも泥棒をしてしまいました、と恥じるのならばまだ理解できます。
Blast@Blast792
@Ao691zbroUHYbXT @luckynosu Garde à l'esprit que les animes/Manga sont devenu populaire grâce à des fan sub / site pirate pour la plupart, sans ça, pas d'explosion sûr le marché occidental, plus jeune, j'ai moi même du consommé du pirate parce que pas d'alternative, et j'ai aucune honte à le dire.
日本語
@AsadaTihiro @luckynosu If someone would be unable to buy it anyway, what difference does piracy make?
English
@luckynosu 作品にお金を払わない連中がどれだけ内輪に作品を広げようが、結局は対価を支払わずに見る連中が増えるだけだから製作者にとっては全くプラスにならないというのが分かってないですよね
泥棒同士があそこの品はいいものだから一緒に盗もうぜって言ってるに等しい
日本語
@WakaTakeTokyo @Soulofhate1 @CronatarTrieve @magozone23 I don't think it's moral to expect a person to spend hundreds on a plane ticket and lodging just to access content. It just sounds silly.
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@Soulofhate1 @CronatarTrieve @magozone23 DVDを買ったり日本に来たり合法的な方法をやり尽くしてもなお手に入らないなら諦めるしかないじゃん
なんで海賊版に手を出すの？
ワガママなだけじゃん
日本語
@magozone23 Then that just makes piracy justified. How do you expect people to read it without it being available to buy?
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@bombercossack61 @v3n0msnake @magozone23 Heathen, let us cease whining to authority and recognize that not all laws are just. Laws are to be weighed against morality, and following them blindly makes someone more comparable to a slave or a dog.
But it isn't that serious fren :3
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@v3n0msnake @magozone23 異教徒よ、悪徳を自慢する事はやめましょう。
その様な悪意を口から出す者には、邪悪な人しか寄ってこないでしょう。
法を守る正しい人間は、貴方から離れて行き、貴方から盗み取ろうとする悪人がだけが、貴方に近付き、貴方の財産を盗むでしょう。
日本語
法に従うという当たり前の価値観くらい共有できてほしいんですけどねえ？
World X@WorldXDev
@magozone23 Sorry Japanese oomf, gonna have to disagree with you on this one; that aside, man, why is it so hard for Western and Japanese people to come to an agreement here? I feel something very important is missing on both sides, it cannot be as simple as "the other side is wrong", right?
日本語
だから改正しろって、わたくしに文句言う前に
Reiky Foxxe@RFoxxe
@magozone23 The law is not sacred at all in the west, disobeying laws believed to be unjust or overly burdensome are quintessential to our national heritage. Illegal alcohol smuggling was much revered as an act of defiance against the federal government. Labor unions were outright violent.
日本語
@kellysz6781 @NCyotee Yeah, especially when there's no other way to access said media
English
In the west there's a common tradition of the noble rogue.
Robin Hood, Guy Fawkes, Billy the Kid.
It's a hold over for dealing tyrannical monarchs in Europe. Continued into the US. Adapted to being a frontier hero.
That's why figures like The Monkey King translates well. Westerners understand a hero that arrogantly scoffs at the ruling power and lives by their own wits and resourcefulness.
Nosu （らきのす）@luckynosu
どうして西洋人の多くが窃盗を正当化することを嫌う日本人の考えを理解してくれないんだろう？
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@Mika_wosaru036 @NCyotee I like you guys, but you shouldn't say this when you still had samurai ambushing random people on the roads and ritual suicide well into more modern times :P
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@tatsunok2022 @NCyotee That isn't really how it works. Most people who pirate will support the creator by other means, while those who won't wouldn't have ever bought it anyway so there's no real loss.
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@Nekome_manken @DandyCarrot @luckynosu A lot of people over here hate the used game market because it's so overpriced, some games go for several hundreds
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@DandyCarrot @luckynosu そういうときは、ゲームの会社にもう一度売って欲しいとお願いをします。大勢が要望を出したから、ポケモンはDS時代の作品がSwitch用にリメイクされました。
リメイクされなくても、いつか誰かが本物を中古市場に出します。私も欲しいソフトを10年ほど探しています。でもできれば公式から買いたい😢
日本語
@BAMBOOSPEAR01 @luckynosu Pretty much, anime and manga are just more well known for it since there were very few ways to legally get it over here when it first got popular
English
@luckynosu There's really the argument of whether or not it counts as theft. In most cases, there's no way to buy it directly or they're being severely overcharged and it's better to just support the creator in another way.
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@ultraaromance @stormfire152 @shsesmoothie I mean, it essentially is. The person would write their continuation of the work, the OG fic wouldn't just disappear.
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@stormfire152 @shsesmoothie it's always people incapable of creating anything of their own with these stupid 'gotcha' takes. writing fanfiction is not the same as taking over someone's >FREE< fan work and the mere suggestion tells everyone all they need to know about how illiterate and talentless you are.
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@stormfire152 @shsesmoothie so there's this button on ao3 you can click called "work inspired by" and it will link your work to theirs. people create AUs from AUs all the time. what we do not do is attempt to hijack a story AI-style.
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@palegreenjad @stormfire152 @Adi89736381 @shsesmoothie Honestly it just sounds like you're describing fanfiction but in a really negative way.
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@stormfire152 @Adi89736381 @shsesmoothie Stealing from a fanfic writer is the lowest of the low, because they write for no financial gain and you think it’s right to steal their morale boost as well.
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