@Capo_eirista It was truly my mistake for assuming you were reasonable because I recognized your name tbh.
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Shacod
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frame data is interaction based in reality, you did an i15 move at +5 meaning the interaction is zero, not plus.
players need to study frame data and tekken system mechanics a bit more i think.
if you did 2 jab after 2,3, that interaction would be +4 since 2 is i11.
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@Capo_eirista Playing Raven for so long has rotten your brain and perception of the game. I am NOT neutral after Jack 2,3 I am at +5. I choose a i15 mid. Means my opponent can only counter me with a powercrush, anything else I counter. But Lili moves ignore any logic or frame disadvantage
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@OddShacod are we reading the same tweet? i guess guilty gear players will never beat the allegations either.
i know more about tekken than you can dream of, go back to guilty gear please.
😂😂😂 take care dude!
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@Capo_eirista I'm done talking to a wall brother, take it easy out there.
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@OddShacod yes, and you’re not understanding that frames are interaction based, which is why people often complain that they’re plus yet get beat in an interaction.
frame data isn’t calculated using neutral, it’s calculated using the quickest attack that the opponent can retaliate with.
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so how did we come to the conclusion that an i20 high would be -4 after being +16? using i10 as the baseline, stop this nonsense please.
“10f isn’t the only important number” and then proceeds to list a frame calculation that uses i10 at the core. LOL get off twitter
Shacod@OddShacod
@Capo_eirista I don't think you should view frames like this, 10f isn't the only important number. If I do a 20f high at +16 I don't lose to down jab because "I was only +6 on that interaction," I lost because down jab is crouching status on frame 4. Shifting the numbers is messy and unneeded.
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@Capo_eirista Man opens a twitter profile and thinks he knows everything there is to know, instantly tries running a beef set over a gentle disagreement, childlike behavior. You take care man.
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@OddShacod it’s definitely not, you just don’t understand how the game works and that’s okay, which is why i told you to go back to guilty gear and lab set ups.
tekken is not better than any other game and frankly, 8 is terrible, we don’t need people like you spewing false info. thanks.
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@Capo_eirista The baseline is quite literally 0, that's why we say something is plus or minus compared to a neutral state. +5 is +5 regardless of what game I'm playing, the options I have at +5 are what changes depending on game. idk why you're so riled about this.
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@OddShacod no, i10 buttons are how frame data is calculated in tekken, what do you not understand about that. LMFAO please stop.
same way how frame data and interactions are calculated in SF6 using an i4 baseline.
stupid and obscure arguments won’t get us anywhere.
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@Capo_eirista The "pretentiously treat every other fighting game like it's inherent lesser than tekken" allegations. I don't give a shit about who is better man, it's probably you considering you make money from it. I'm just saying your explanation is misleading.
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@OddShacod what allegations? i will smoke you in anything that isn’t guilty gear, because i don’t play it.
let’s run a FT20 in SF6. looool again, get off twitter 😂😂😂
❀ 🩸imortalXsoul🩸 ❀@Capo_eirista
ultimate master at a perfect 1800MR!!
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@OddShacod but you probably don’t even know what G frames are in the first place, stick to guilty gear my friend.
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@Capo_eirista Power crush, rage art, parries, and evasion all interact in ways that break this perspective of 10f being the frame of reference. They are useful because they act faster than jabs do. If I'm +5 and do a 14f mid it loses to power crush despite being "only +1" in your explanation.
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@OddShacod yes, i10 is THE number in which frames are calculated.
obviously there are interactions where moves with high evasion beat G frames, your example would be +20G meaning you can guard, so yes, a crouch jab would win.
your analogy falls apart when replacing the high with a mid.
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@Capo_eirista Neither did you man, you're actively misleading the people you're trying to teach about frame data because despite understanding the situations your explanation is just incorrect.
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@OddShacod you're being a little dense, i'm sorry. that's not what i'm doing at all. i've done a good job explaining what the purpose of that reply was. i cannot help you if you still don't understand.
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@V_rbatim @_idle_space_ They're outright denying your premise. By your framing, they are "rejecting the truth" by denying determinism. Asking them to assume determinism is true is asking them to concede their point and simply agree with you instead.
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@OddShacod @_idle_space_ depends on what greater point you're trying to make.
the greater point i'm trying to make is that IF determinism is the truth, but it is also true that belief in determinism guides you towards mediocrity, then it seems like to be good at something, you must reject this truth.
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@V_rbatim @_idle_space_ If I say "the sky isn't blue" and you say "no, the sky IS blue" would it be reasonable for me to respond with "okay but just assume the sky isn't blue. it's obvious the sky is red"?
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@OddShacod @_idle_space_ i'm basically saying "please steelman my position," which is a perfectly reasonable request. steelmanning is the best way to have a forward moving conversation. nothing ridiculous about it.
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@V_rbatim @_idle_space_ Even if you think free will is an illusion it is shamefully nihilistic to refuse to try to improve because if you were good you should be good instantly instead of after completing the process that would cause you to improve.
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@V_rbatim @_idle_space_ What kind of response is that? Somebody tells you they believe your assumption is incorrect and you say "okay but what if it was correct?" instead of providing support for your assumption and then go on to insist it is a fundamental aspect of the universe. Ridiculous.
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@tekkendocs Recovery info has been a bit of an information blind spot in tekken resources for a while, thanks a ton for doing this.
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TekkenDocs now shows Recovery frames on individual move pages!
You can also sort the move list by recovery.
For now, in simple view, it's displayed in the last column when sorted by it — still experimenting with the best list display.
Recovery = frames after active frames end until you can act again (block or attack). Only matters on whiff, indicating how easy it is to whiff-punish.
Not available for all moves yet, but hopefully more will be added
Example (Claudio sorted by recovery): tekkendocs.com/t8/claudio?ord…
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@Mocha__Unicorn I'd love to see whiff recovery listed in the data. I imagine that is easier said than done though since it's so hard to find specific data for whiff recovery. It's one of the largest information blind spots in Tekken compared to resources for other fighting games.
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I’ve been working with my buds Sehkiro and Eskimo on this as a UXR, and I’d love to hear any feedback y’all have for us on the site.
Our goal is to make it really easy to find T8 attack info for all levels of play. Hope this helps! okizeme.gg
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Amidst the Esports World Cup, Okizeme.gg has officially launched! Features streamlined videos and frame data for every move in Tekken 8. Feel free to check us out! #EWC #TEKKEN8 #TEKKEN
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@Romulus_Himself I've heard KoF15 has the same issues and people made noise about it when the game dropped and the issues never got addressed. COTW looks fun but the message being sent to keyboard players by SNK over the past few years is "We don't believe you are important enough to fix this."
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@Romulus_Himself The minimal keyboard support is unacceptable. It isn't possible to rebind the spacebar or to bind the numpad keys. Quite literally every other fighting game I've opened on PC allows these binds. I'm not learning a new button layout for this game and said as much in beta feedback.
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Hello I have an important question
If you did not buy FATAL FURY COTW can you tell me a few reasons why or a summary of why you didn’t? this also applies to people who brought the game and stopped playing already
please RT/SHARE for awareness
🙏🏽
GIF
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