@TheJaiStraughan @dharnishiqbal If you are clinging to 8 years rather than 10 for Beckham then i think i have done my job. You take care now.
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Ray OLooney
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Ray OLooney
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England, United Kingdom Katılım Aralık 2018
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@OlooneyRay @dharnishiqbal And Beckham being out on loan in 1995 completely destroys your “3/4 of the midfield for over a decade” considering he left the club in 2003.
Let’s leave it there. Goodnight mate, all the best.
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Sir Alex Ferguson: Built 5/6 different teams one of which was mainly around youth, transformed United into a behemoth when they were in the gutter to the point where even with how bad they've been, they'll never be poor.
Pep made a really good team excellent but there is no comparison
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@TheJaiStraughan @dharnishiqbal And like i said several hours ago. Class of 92 does not refer to when they became first team players. That was the year they won the Youth Cup. It was another three years before they became what you would call first team regulars. We have gone full circle.
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@TheJaiStraughan @dharnishiqbal Yes Beckham played for 19 minutes that season and not at all in the next one. Four appearances in 94/95. You are making a really poor point. 4 and a bit games in two seasons is not ‘introducing them to them to the first team. Beckham actually got sent on loan in 95.
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@TheJaiStraughan @dharnishiqbal Playing a league cup game three years before his league debut is hardly being introduced to the first team squad. Come on now. United regularly played shadow sides in the early stages of cup competitions.
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@OlooneyRay @dharnishiqbal Where am I backtracking? Said all along they were introduced into the first team squad in 1992 but weren’t on the team on a regular basis until 1995. Beckham then left in 2003, meaning he wasn’t in the team/midfield for the “over 10 years” that you said. Debut season=6apps
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@TheJaiStraughan @dharnishiqbal So you are backtracking on your earlier remarks. Good. Beckham played through Uniteds most dominant period. Picking up domestic doubles and the treble. 8 years…10 years. The point remains. If you want to be petty then i think we should end it here.
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@OlooneyRay @dharnishiqbal Yeah, he was brought into the first team squad in 1992. Made his debut in the league cup that year, aged 17. His league debut was in April of 1995, 1 month before the end of the season. He left in 2003. That means he wasn’t part of the midfield for “over a decade”.
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@TheJaiStraughan @dharnishiqbal Oh you are splitting hairs now. According to you Beckham started in the first team in 1992. What year did he leave?
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@OlooneyRay @dharnishiqbal Erm, no they weren’t, I believe Beckham played in 7 seasons, 8 at most.
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@TheJaiStraughan @dharnishiqbal Its a good question. But those players were part of that club for a good 15 years or so. Giggs, Beckham and Scholes were 3/4 of the midfield for over a decade.
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@OlooneyRay @dharnishiqbal Genuine question here, outside of the class of 92, how many more young players came through the club and played significant roles in winning titles etc? Wes Brown comes to mind but not many others.
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@TheJaiStraughan @dharnishiqbal Nope not at all. Its just the way football works. The biggest clubs buy players from the smaller ones. Thats partly what made United so good. Recruitment. And they are starting to do that again. Mbuemo and Cunha for example.
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@OlooneyRay @dharnishiqbal You’ll have to give us good money for Tonali, but was that statement meant to upset or anger me? If Tonali wants to go, he can go, same as any other player at the club.
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@TheJaiStraughan @dharnishiqbal I dont have a problem talking about the spending.
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@OlooneyRay @dharnishiqbal My point is that people seem to leave money out of the discussion when speaking about Fergie’s success. It’s always “won with youth” and “built multiple teams” but he also bought an awful lot of players, broke multiple transfer records and “built teams” with transfers.
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@TheJaiStraughan @dharnishiqbal I remember Keegan spending massively at Newcastle. Didnt win a trophy. Hope we give you good money for Tonali.
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@TheJaiStraughan @dharnishiqbal It was four times less than what Blackburn paid for Shearer. Equate that to todays market. And of course he spent money. United were the biggest and best club. Chelsea spent money, Arsenal, City too. Liverpool paid record fees for a keeper and a defender. What is your point?!
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@TheJaiStraughan @dharnishiqbal Hughes was homegrown. Ok. Cantona. 900,000 in fact. Blackburn bought Shearer in the same year for 3.6mil. Case rests. Nice chatting to you.
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@OlooneyRay @dharnishiqbal It’s not deemed success for Man Utd because of what they become. And fair enough, their ambition was to win the league, but that doesn’t mean winning 2 cups in 4 years isn’t a degree of success. As for the “combined £1mill”, that’s like saying Keane only cost £3.5m…
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@TheJaiStraughan @dharnishiqbal Yes 83 and 85 under Atkinson. Is that success for Man Utd? No, otherwise they would not have sacked him. They wanted the League and European Cup and Fergie delivered. And yes he started the record transfers. But Hughes and Cantona from his first title were a combined £1mil.
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@OlooneyRay @dharnishiqbal But had won 2 FA Cups in 3-4 years, right?
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@TheJaiStraughan @dharnishiqbal They were 16th when he took over. They were Tottenham.
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@OlooneyRay @dharnishiqbal But it is success in that they were a winning team.
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@UtdHeisenberg_ @trish_kisten1 I wish he had actually said that!
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@TheJaiStraughan @dharnishiqbal No. Clough had Peter Taylor to do that. Paisley had Ronnie Moran. George Graham had Stuart Houston and Pat Rice. It was a different time. United became so huge, that he brought in the best coaches. Great managers delegate but they know the buck stops with them if it goes wrong.
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@OlooneyRay @dharnishiqbal They ran the club but they also coached players, they ran training session, setup tactics. It is widely spoken and common knowledge that Fergie would spend most training sessions in his office, relying on assistants and coaches. Players have credited McLaren, Quieroz, Muelensteen
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@TheJaiStraughan @dharnishiqbal The odd FA Cup here and there is not success when your main rivals, Liverpool, are dominating.
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@OlooneyRay @dharnishiqbal No, of course not, but neither did Fergie. As for “laughing stock”, Man U were successful at the time Fergie took over. Fair enough they hadn’t won the league but 2 FA Cups in the 3 or 4 years prior to Fergie, I believe. Maybe also worth noting that Pep has also “won with kids”.
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@TheJaiStraughan @dharnishiqbal And how much have United spent since he left? Its a lazy argument to say that money buys success. Pep is great but he was coming into a successful club and he built on that. Ferguson built from a club who had not won the league in 20 years.
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@OlooneyRay @dharnishiqbal Yeah he was a really successful manager but, to use the argument that’s thrown at Pep, he had the most money. He repeatedly went and signed the best player in the league, breaking the transfer records multiple times in the process.
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@TheJaiStraughan @dharnishiqbal When Ferguson started at United in 86 they were all called managers. Clough, Paisley etc. none of them were what we would call coaches. They ran the clubs from top to bottom. What Fergie did was change with the times.
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@OlooneyRay @dharnishiqbal Plenty of coaches from that time mate. Fergie was a highly successful manager and will obviously go down as one of the all time greats but, imo, he isn’t the greatest because is his actual footballing influence.
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