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#seven is #neolithic and #bronzeage #wanderwort
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Rasmus Bjørn
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Rasmus Bjørn
@OsoDanes
The prehistoric loanword guy @MPI_GEA Protects early borrowings from accusations of 'chance similarity' and generally struggles with a difficult methodology.
Jyderup (DK) / Jena (DE) Katılım Kasım 2010
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@Ugra___ I forgot how poor linguistic reasoning is here… partly true, but with so many caveats due and different lines of evidence that the conclusions pursued on this one statement ring hollow.
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Mallory 2020 puts forth a stellar argument -
If PIE society domesticated the horse (*ekwo-s), then there must also be reconstructions for a foal, mare, gelding, stud and a steed. There aren't. That *ekwo-s can only be domestic and not wild, is refuted by internal consistency.
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@MagnusPharao @norne_g Ja, det er en gammel hestesag - der er ikke noget der tyder på at det er et lån mellem engelsk og dansk. Det kan tages tilbage til oldgermansk (ca. 500 f.v.t.). Det er sandsynligvis lånt fra de iranske stepper før det. #EurasiaConnected
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Og her er et etymologisk funfact for danskere:
Har du tænkt over hvorfor dansk ikke har et ord for hest der svarer til engelsk "horse"?
Det har vi faktisk: Det findes i dag som -ros i hvalros, der er opstået som en snagvendt version, af oldnordisk hross-valr "hestehval".
Magnus Pharao@MagnusPharao
Crazy enough in Spanish a walrus is "morsa", seemingly a loan from Sámi which in turn loaned it from an unknown language of the early pregermanic sealhunting cultures of scandinavia.
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International Max Planck Research School for Modeling the Anthropocene (IMPRS-ModA) starts at MPI-GEA as a truly transdisciplinary graduate program that educates and trains a new generation of scientists! Follow bit.ly/3XP3Dxn to learn more!
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Our book Indo-European Interfaces is out in open access 🎉📖 🥳
Download your copy here:stockholmuniversitypress.se/site/books/e/1…
Edited by @baltologen, yours truly & @AndersRJorg, it’s the first volume in the book series Stockholm Studies in Indo-European Languages and Culture.
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Scientists have traced the origin of the modern horse to a lineage that emerged 4,200 years ago apnews.com/article/ancien…
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@basira_mir Congratulations, Basira!! Thank you for being so open to the archaeolinguistic perspectives - my own dissertation would not have been as rich without you! Glad to see the Kurfürst received another wreath tribute 🌿🌱🥜
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In addition to amazing support from my advisors, I was lucky to get a chance to meet my colleagues and extremely supportive people in Germany, who were with me in the hard times, especially Li Tang, who is not only the best colleague but also the best friend.
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Preliminary program of our Language and Culture in the Borderlands of the Eastern Silk Road Conference (September 4-7) with keynotes by Georges-Jean Pinault, Carmen Meinert, and @ImreGalambos:
…naborderlandsconference.wordpress.com/program/
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@Kedarna82972844 @yajnadevam Nope. These models have been tried in linguistics, and still cannot predict anything that the sum of linguists have not (far less, actually) - past and present. Keep at it, tho
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@OsoDanes @yajnadevam & population migrations/language diffusions r still amenable to approximate mathematical modelling & yield testable predictions ...linguistics hv completely ignored this & approached it pure humanities which yields no testable results & counter examples r simply ignored 2
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The closeness of Greek preferred words to Vedic words (as opposed to other branches) cannot be explained by the current Steppe hypothesis, where Greek moves early along the Balkan route and Indo-Aryan develops a millennium later about 5000km away.
yajnadevam@yajnadevam
Vedic Sanskrit vím: The Sanskrit root seems to be √vī "to scatter in all directions", an apt term for what birds do when they detect humans. Latin avis, Armenian haw etc: The particle ā prefixed in some languages denote space and distance as in ā-samudram "upto the ocean", ā-vī "scatter in all directions into the distance" Ancient Greek αἰετός, ἀετός (aietós, aetós) 'eagle' οἰωνός (oiōnós) 'large bird', Albanian vito 'pigeon': This seems to be cognate to āti, an aquatic bird in Vedic literature.
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@yajnadevam @Kedarna82972844 You shouldn’t talk about linguistics, that’s right. You could try to demonstrate why you believe these gaps have any bearings on a science you consistently prove not to understand
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@OsoDanes @Kedarna82972844 Im not talking about tree/wave at all, nor even about linguistics in particular. Never mind, as I said, you don’t even know what are the gaps in your knowledge so to you it looks like Im challenging something.
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@yajnadevam @Kedarna82972844 Here again you showcase your lack of basic understanding - language dynamics is too complex for mathematical data modeling (still). You’re not the first longing to reduce it (me too), but no model can account for the tree/wave dynamic.
GIF
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You are blind to the things that are obvious to those with some data structure knowledge, just as you likely see things that we are blind to. This of course is natural. The only difference is that we question the cases where the model needs improvement and you reply by disapproval, telling us to read books, appeal to authority etc. The real issue is that we can improve our knowledge of historical linguistics, but you are unable to even understand what your gaps are.
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@Kedarna82972844 @yajnadevam That’s the kicker - ‘due respect’. Human prehistory is complex, so the key is to treat expert testimony with due respect. Neither reverence or irreverence, but respect that perhaps they know something a Google search cannot provide.
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@OsoDanes @yajnadevam Rasmus, with all due respect, you have to be careful with this "You don't understand linguistics. Don't tweet about linguistics" This would end up being a case like Einstein not understanding Luminferous Ether (look it up), Linguistics is an inexact field -1
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@yajnadevam @Kedarna82972844 Your (and most other novices') problem is that language dynamics are defined by both tree like structures (descent) and waves (influence) - both need to be accounted for. You cannot fit everything into a simple model.
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@OsoDanes @Kedarna82972844 Sure … please educate me: when you model something as a tree, what are the implications of tree rotation?
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@yajnadevam @Kedarna82972844 Yeah, you wont stop. I'll keep flagging. No need discussing with you. You've misunderstood most of it.
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@OsoDanes @Kedarna82972844 I've read enough for what I tweet, bro ... nobody knows everything, for example, you are not aware of language closeness models that exist or how tree rotation can challenge certain aspects of language branching or how verb->noun generations challenge hist. ling assumptions etc.
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@yajnadevam @Kedarna82972844 ...and a non-negotiable disclaimer "@yajnadevam has not read a book on historical linguistics" after any such tweet. 🍻🤝
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@OsoDanes @Kedarna82972844 Im afraid I can’t do that buddy. You just have to suffer for a while … Ill make it up to you and buy you 2 beers in Copenhagen
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@yajnadevam @Kedarna82972844 Cool. I'll be happy to elaborate on any questions that may arise from your reading of Fortson.
Until then, do me and your followers a favor and keep quiet on historical linguistics.
Happy reading.
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@yajnadevam @Kedarna82972844 Tried, cannot include everything.
Answer this: Which introductory book on historical linguistics have/will you read?
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@yajnadevam @Kedarna82972844 No. It has been tried. Like anything else in historical linguistics, it's the sum of shared retentions and innovations and our ability to explain them that define branching.
You're welcome.
Now read a book.
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@OsoDanes @Kedarna82972844 OK, I'll take your advice and ask a question:
Is there a metric that quantifies closeness of languages (incl language branches)?
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@yajnadevam @Kedarna82972844 Good on you. Read a book about basic linguistic methodology if you'd like to address the questions that puzzle you. And ask questions if you cannot find the answers readily. Fun fact: there is an entire field devoted to these questions. Use it.
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@OsoDanes @Kedarna82972844 Ive asked questions for years, no one replies. Ive managed to solve very hard questions myself such as the feasibility of some journeys before wagons. The lack of expert answers demonstrates that these hypotheses have not been thought through and the theory needs work.
yajnadevam@yajnadevam
Yamnaya journey to Afanasievo without wagons: I found a feasible route by which Yamna could graze their herds along rivers and end up in Afanasievo. This resolves one of the improbabilities of the Steppe narrative. Its very long, about 5000km but animals grazing at 1km/day could get them there in 14 years. The reason to move simply could be drought (assumption) and reduced grass, so they simply moved NE along rivers till they hit Urals and then turned SE. There is a large area with thousands of lakes which let them cross over to the Ob river, which took them to Afanasievo. Roughly: Volga to Kazan Kama to Tiulkino Vishera to Vels Reka Vels to Burmantavo 61N, 59.37E Reka Ivdel to Ivdel Reka Ivdel to Reka Lozva to Khanty-Mansiysk Ob River to Afanasievo
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