Defending Trinity & Paul

Thread 1/12 Muslims often claim the Christian Trinity is polytheism (shirk)— "partners" to Allah. But this confuses tritheism with the actual Trinity: 1 God in 3 internal expressions of operation. Let's dismantle this and show how the Quran makes the same human logic error.

@umairbtw23 @Okidoki1975 @politicsusa46 Because kedar is the recipients of the good news not the source of it.

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When I listen to pastor Hegseth and his religious crusade talk, this clip featuring Bek Lover frequently springs to mind, because the level of ignorance when it comes to religious tribalism is so amusing to me. Everybody’s God is always on their side, but we never seem to hear that from God himself. How convenient. 🎥 TikTok - vm.tiktok.com/ZNRxFaaff/

@umairbtw23 @Okidoki1975 @politicsusa46 This argument collapses then if you can't allow a 2000 year gap then how can you allow a 600 year gap? The argument is only correct with its statement that it's continuous so how can there between two different servants?

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@umairbtw23 @Okidoki1975 @politicsusa46 Let the wilderness and its cities lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar inhabits…” Kedar is part of a list of locations all commanded to rejoice That makes Kedar a recipient not the source of the Servant otherwise it would explicitly state the Servant comes from Kedar.

@umairbtw23 @Okidoki1975 @politicsusa46 God acts directly in the exodus plagues and red sea. There is no biblical standard God must always act through an agent. Isaiah 2 all nations stream to God Isaiah 11 nations rally to the Messiah Isaiah 60 nations bring glory The mentioning Kedar proves inclusion in worship,

@h4q3r @NiggerJewNigger @NASSARMohamadMR @GodLogic_GL In created limited creatures, God is not created or limited..... Everybody knows this.

@PaulDefend48276 @NiggerJewNigger @NASSARMohamadMR @GodLogic_GL Bro no power and knowledge are distinct in reality, everyone knows this.

NONE of the prophets were Muslim. Allah rejects being a Father in ANY sense (S. 19:88-93) and rejects it in the past as well (S. 9:30). The prophets consistently call God "Father" (Exodus 4:22, Deuteronomy 32:6, Isaiah 64:8, Matthew 11:27, John 5:19, ect). Different God.

@h4q3r @NiggerJewNigger @NASSARMohamadMR @GodLogic_GL Then explain how you can have real distinction....

@PaulDefend48276 @NiggerJewNigger @NASSARMohamadMR @GodLogic_GL You haven't justified this framework

@umairbtw23 @Okidoki1975 @politicsusa46 There's no mentioning of smashing of idols by Muhammad in the verse. It's God himself acting not an instrument, agent or prophet. Similar language Ps 97:7 and Isaiah 44:9 it's showing false God's are powerless not about destroying statues.

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@umairbtw23 @Okidoki1975 @politicsusa46 New song is not about a new religion or prophet case in point Ps 96:1 and Ps 98:1 this is worship language not a prediction of Muhammad. The point is far of places will hear of God. By your logic every place the Bible mentiones we should expect a prophet.

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@umairbtw23 @Okidoki1975 @politicsusa46 And your chat gpt should understand Christ first coming was gentle described in Isaiah h 42. Then God brings Judgment which is the end of days still prophetic in the future. Muhammad is not coming to judge.

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@umairbtw23 @Okidoki1975 @politicsusa46 Isaiah 42:13 is about God, not the Servant In Book of Isaiah 42:13: The LORD shall go forth like a mighty man… Is Muhammed the LORD now? Isaiah 42:13 is God bringing judgment. Who is bringing Judgement in the Quran?

@PaulDefend48276 @Okidoki1975 @politicsusa46 If reading comprehension is the focus, let's look at the whole chapter. Isaiah 42:13 says this Servant shall go forth as a man of war and prevail against his enemies. Christians say Jesus didn't come for war, so how does he fit? Also, Jesus never went to the villages of Kedar or

@hbasriygc Hebrew to later adaptations (Greek, Latin, english) Not: Arabic to everyone else Otherwise give clear historical evidence Christ spoke arabic and was known by that name Isa during his life time.

@PaulDefend48276 You can read some history. Those all stories have in common but with little bit changing.But There's one thing that %100 true.Those all prophets belonged to Arabic peninsula (which includes Hebrews, Arabs, Persians) Not latinas.. You took that culture after west came to Jarusalem

Muslims do not believe that Jesus is God. It’s that simple. Don’t complicate it.

@hbasriygc The Hebrew forms are earlier and preserve the meaning; the Arabic forms come later. Īsa is the anomaly, not the original.

@PaulDefend48276 Wasn't Arabic invented? I think you're confusing Arabic with American history. Arabic, Persian, Hebrew... these languages ​​have roots going back thousands of years. They belong to the same language family. These words are definitely not English.

@hbasriygc Spanish and Italian are related That doesn’t mean Italian names come from Spanish

@PaulDefend48276 Hebrew and Arabic are closely related languages. They belong to the same language family. These words are the most foreign to "Western languages." But you use them with their Western versions.

@umairbtw23 @Okidoki1975 @politicsusa46 It doesnt say the servant is from Kedar It states Kedar will celebrate what the servant does. Meaning far off places will hear about christ Isaiah 41 and 43 clearly identify the servant as Israel. To now take Isaiah 42 and state this is an arab savior is out of context.

@PaulDefend48276 @Okidoki1975 @politicsusa46 Why does it precisely pinpoint Muhammad’s lineage and geographical location?? Like I said there’s more verses if you’re still not convinced. Also, you could argue that new ‘song’ is the Quran and guess who ended idolatry in kedar and sela (medina) 🤷‍♂️

@pop_puzz Greek does not have the “sh” sound. Masculine Greek nouns require endings “ous”. Names are not just labels, they are theologically loaded and historically anchored. Like Jacob to Israel (struggles with God) When God gives a name tied to a mission, meaning matters

This argument collapses on two fronts: linguistics and logic. First, your “clear traceable chain” isn’t as solid as you claim. “Yeshua” → “Iēsous” (Greek) already involves major phonetic changes (missing “sh,” added endings, etc.), and then into “Jesus.” That’s adaptation, not preservation of form. So the name was already transformed long before Arabic. Second, “Isa” not following the same path doesn’t make it a “deliberate alteration.” It reflects a different linguistic transmission into Arabic, which has its own phonological system. Languages don’t need to copy each other’s pathways to be valid. Now the bigger leap: you’re trying to turn a name variation into an argument against preservation of scripture. That simply doesn’t follow. Preservation of a message is about the integrity of the text and its transmission — not whether every proper noun matches a specific earlier pronunciation in another language. If your standard were applied consistently, then the shift from “Yeshua” to “Jesus” would also count as a failure of preservation — which you obviously don’t accept. So the conclusion is simple: Different name forms ≠ corruption of revelation. You’re forcing a linguistic difference into a theological accusation, and it doesn’t hold.

God is Great 🙏🏻

@umairbtw23 @Okidoki1975 @politicsusa46 Mentioning Kedar doesn’t magically turn a worship passage into a prophecy about Muhammad.

@Okidoki1975 @PaulDefend48276 @politicsusa46 The Hebrew Bible uses 'Eloah', which is the same word as the Arabic 'Allah'. The Hebrew prophets specifically prophesied about Kedar (Isaiah 42:11) the direct ancestors of Muhammad. You can't say it has 'nothing to do' with him when the Bible literally names his lineage and locat

@umairbtw23 @Okidoki1975 @politicsusa46 So reading comprehension is your problem Bringing justice gently (not by war) as a symbol of my covenant Muhammad is not a covenant. Christ is the covenant. Matthew 26:28 — “this is my blood of the covenant

@PaulDefend48276 @Okidoki1975 @politicsusa46 No problem, since your attention span is that poor to the point where you can’t focus on a 58 second video. This is just one piece of evidence, there’s more asw 👍😂 Search up what kedar and sela are in this context