@akaaroS @eajaymello no I don't know the language. And I don't think the ability to be sold is the only criteria for something to be a product.
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Pink Death
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@PinkDeath23 @eajaymello You're just wrong to say that art isn't also a product, If it weren't, It wouldn't be sold. Of course it depends, but that's how It is.
And you didn't answer me - would you play undertale or deltarune if they were only available in Japanese?
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Sem querer passar pano pro Toby Fox
Mas todo mundo falando como se ele tivesse dito que os jogos dele são "complexos demais para serem traduzidos", quando só me pareceu que ele disse:
"eu não tenho confiança pra traduzir os jogos pra idiomas que eu não conheço"
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Notícia importante. @tobyfox falou do concerto oficial vir para a América Latina no Bluesky, além de outras coisas que a galera queria saber, sobre a tradução oficial e envio de produtos pra cá.
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@Kaorumitsurugi Isn't that why Toby learned Japanese in the first place?
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@akaaroS @eajaymello I was talking specifically about the game but if you're saying art itself is a product, that kinda baffles me. to the point that I don't even know how you could come to that conclusion. Nothing I can say will change your mind.
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@PinkDeath23 @eajaymello Art is a product, whether you like it or not. It's a game - if someone wants to play it, they're going to BUY it and give it a try. But if it's not translated, how?
Just imagine if the game were only available in Japanese, not even English. Would you like it?
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@J4ysGalaxy @StinkNEO @poppin1w3 Neither are presented as being even close to the speed of lightning?
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people will throw away the ability to read just to slander kashimo
you CAN'T dodge his lightning bro
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@Leonardo_onaip @Noli61306855099 I'm talking about both. I think how art is expressed(medium, language, timeline, etc) are all fundamentally just as much a part of the work as the art itself.
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@PinkDeath23 @Noli61306855099 I mean, if ur arguing about people attacking him then I'm with u, but there's no good explanation for him not getting to translating such a famous game from more than a decade ago, yk?
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@Leonardo_onaip @Noli61306855099 I'm not making excuses. You guys have valid criticism, I'm just arguing against it. Sadly the Internet does affect the world, and I'm trying to do my part in dissuading, or at least slowing down an idea that I fundamentally disagree with. And you're doing the same I think.
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@PinkDeath23 @Noli61306855099 It's a start and I hope u have fun, but stop making excuses for toby
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@akaaroS @eajaymello I disagree, I fundamentally believe that it's art first and a product second. Accessibility would be nice, I agree on that, although that's because I believe artists should want to share their work with the world, rather than because the world should have access to everyone's art
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@PinkDeath23 @eajaymello It's not about having any right, he can do whatever he wants with his games, sure. But translating the game is a simple acessibility tool that every game in 2026 should be able to do, so more people can play. It's about doing the right thing
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@Leonardo_onaip @Noli61306855099 Only one, sadly. I'm learning Spanish, but I barely started a couple weeks ago.
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@PinkDeath23 @Noli61306855099 How many languages do you know? I'm curious now
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@LurioZzz I don't think that's contradictory. I bet he'd love to play it again in Japanese, he might have already.
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@cauboidoespasso @Bloodthirstyleo @eajaymello Every single translation of any work is always going to be a different interpretation of said work. The only person who can really say if it's a "correct" one is the author. Toby just happens to want a slightly more informed decision.
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@PinkDeath23 @Bloodthirstyleo @eajaymello how can it be harmful? what harm comes from making your work acessible in other languages? As long as the localization team is doing their job instead of tinkering with the content, I don't see how it can be harmful
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@cauboidoespasso @Bloodthirstyleo @eajaymello You'd be correct, but that doesn't really matter. I've admitted my privilege, but I don't think anything about me or you should affect the merit of our discussion.
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@PinkDeath23 @Bloodthirstyleo @eajaymello Yet i am 100% sure tons of localized foreign games, anime and manga are part of your formative media backlog, just like me.
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@cauboidoespasso @Bloodthirstyleo @eajaymello I'm not saying you can't criticize artists, I'm arguing against the criticism. I think it's cool indie devs care about their fans like that, but I don't think it's something needed and can actually be harmful to the work they put out a lot of times.
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@PinkDeath23 @Bloodthirstyleo @eajaymello of course they can, and people can criticize them based on those choices. nothing is free from criticism just on the merit of being an artist's vision. Most indie devs put in the work to foster an acessible enviroment, without needing to.
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@cauboidoespasso @Bloodthirstyleo @eajaymello Yeah and that's fine, any creator can decide to present their work to whoever they want. A lot of it is motivated by money tho, and it just so happens that there's a lot of money to be made in selling to the US.
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@PinkDeath23 @Bloodthirstyleo @eajaymello You're still getting it, though. The entire gaming medium is built around Jap-to-US translations. Localizations that were many times not worth the hasshle but were done anywyas become someone believed other people deserved to experience that game.
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@cauboidoespasso @Bloodthirstyleo @eajaymello hmm I'm talking more about how it's done. I personally believe how an artist releases their work is just as much apart of the art as the work itself. Every standard for how translations are done is arbitrary, this just happens to be Toby's.
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@PinkDeath23 @Bloodthirstyleo @eajaymello You act like implementing acessibility options is the same thing as selling out your work, when in reality it is usually the opposite. It costs more than it is usually worth it, but devs do it anyways out of principle.
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@Bloodthirstyleo @cauboidoespasso @eajaymello I agree I'm privileged in that context, but a lot of it is filtered through translations and other contexts I'm lacking. Every time I read stuff from other cultures, I'm jealous of the people that get to experience it properly while I'm just getting someone else's interpretation.
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@PinkDeath23 @cauboidoespasso @eajaymello Actually you can have most of the recent things, Unfortunately, the United States is still the focus of most games/movies/series
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@Bloodthirstyleo @cauboidoespasso @eajaymello I think that's obvious, people give up money for their vision all the time, otherwise all art would just be whatever statistically makes them the most cash. I think we agree this shouldn't be the case though.
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@cauboidoespasso @Bloodthirstyleo @eajaymello it sucks that I have to rely on translations because I feel the original meaning is lost 99% of the time. I wish I just knew every language lol, but that only partially helps anyway.
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@cauboidoespasso @Bloodthirstyleo @eajaymello There's an uncountable amount of art I'll never get to experience properly because of language barriers, differing time periods, or just the fact that I don't know it exists.
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@cauboidoespasso @Jack_Luminous I guess we just disagree on what the bare minimum is. I don't think I'm owed someone's art in any form whether it's a random 5 year olds drawing or the most influential piece of literature ever created.
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@PinkDeath23 @Jack_Luminous the moment you become influential in a medium, your words and choices have weight. trying to act like a poor small indie auteur when he made fucking undertale is pathetic. he doesn't owe anyone anything, but failing to do the bare minimum is 100% worthy of criticism
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Placing your own artistic satisfaction over the whims of some bitchy fans is absolutely the correct thing to do.
🍞Marupan🍞@marupan_desu
This might be a stretch but Toby refusing to translate to a language unless he can be inside the translators asshole follows the pattern that he values his Themes and Such more than his fans Same with not letting Togore win on the 10 yr stream (donating 100k) or no lightner merch
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@Leonardo_onaip @Loozrrrrrpedal @Itsnotme487 What the? My logic applies to me as well, there's so many amazing works that I'll never properly appreciate because I don't know Spanish, Mandarin, Arabic, etc. But I'll never complain because it's normal that there are some things I just can't experience.
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@PinkDeath23 @Loozrrrrrpedal @Itsnotme487 Yeah, 10+ years wasn't enough, I guess
What I said works for u as well
You people don't give a shit about those who can't speak English, bunch of egotistical gringos
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HOLD ON LMAO DIDN'T YOU MAKE THIS😭😭😭😭😭?????????
🍞Marupan🍞@marupan_desu
This might be a stretch but Toby refusing to translate to a language unless he can be inside the translators asshole follows the pattern that he values his Themes and Such more than his fans Same with not letting Togore win on the 10 yr stream (donating 100k) or no lightner merch
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