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@neilmckt @StackTrillions @AFC_Ryan__ Most reports after the comments state Aresnal did say something of the sort on their Weibo account. "As a football club, Arsenal always adheres to the principle of not being involved in politics."

Really sad to see some Arsenal fans trying to promote their Ozil agenda using the fact that Arsenal are standing up for a different human rights issue. Yes the whole world needs to stand up for Muslims in China, but abusing Arsenal for supporting Nigeria is disgusting.

@_Be_free_i_be @SocialistVoice They deserve to not have the grant the governent setup because they downloaded an app? Nice.

People told to self-isolate from coronavirus stopped from claiming £500 grant by flaw in NHS contact tracing app A button to allow those to claim the cash was never added to the app, sources have told Sky News news.sky.com/story/coronavi…

@RogerHelmerMEP It has to be that way as the app doesnt hold personally identifiable information, they would have no way to fine people ignoring the advice. 2 systems trying to do the same job with different approaches.

Interesting. It seems that if you’re told by a test-&-trace wallah to self-isolate, that’s mandatory & you’re liable to a £10,000 fine. But if you’re told the same thing by the NHS C19 app, that’s merely advisory, and you’re not liable to a fine. telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/2…

@StephenDrew72 Scotland have their own Covid app so guess you would need that for their QR codes. Also the app is not Serco, it is an open sourced project under NHSX. Serco only run the Track and Trace services, badly at that.

The Serco (NHS) Track and Trace App does not recognise the QR code on the table I am sat at in the Scottish service station I am having breakfast in. Apparently it can only do English or Welsh QR codes. I hope this me failing to understand the app and not another Serco failure.

@dansga45 Only 6 out of 20 million? The app does not rely on self diagnosis, it allows people to enter their symptoms and that is only 1 part of it as well as entering test results, checking other nearby devices etc. Got any source for that false positive rate? Cheers

@iGuyC @damocrat That's correct, the API doesnt measure the significance though, just tells you if you have been near someone that has it. The app works out how significant it is measuring the time spent and distance etc. The app was updated recently to try and reduce worry about the APIs warning

@damocrat If that’s correct then the API is deeming it to be significant but the app is deeming it to be insignificant. But if that’s the case, what are the parameters it is using to ascertain that?

@PaulmichaelODo1 Why would they need an app to spy on you if you have a smartphone with you anyway? Why would they opensource the app so people could see their "spy" code? Makes no sense.

@tsh2 @NHSCOVID19app Your guess is spot on, its actually a notification from the Google/Apple API, that is saying you were near someone, could have just been in passing. The app runs its own algorithm using time/distance etc & if your a "hit" you will get a timer telling you how long to isolate for.

Has anyone got a quantitative description of what the transient/disappearing notifications from the NHS Covid app indicate? I am assuming that it is exposure of <15 minutes, or >2m - but this is a complete guess. Also, what does a 'real' notification look like? @NHSCOVID19app

@PhilDurling100 @DHSCgovuk @NHSCOVID19app No, they don't.

The @NHSCOVID19app has been made with privacy at its heart. The app does not: ❌ personally identify you ❌ track your location ✅ All data in the app is stored on your phone. Find out more: covid19.nhs.uk

@robmclean1976 @pukka60000 @PPEMedpro @GNev2 @MarcusRashford On this thread? You mentioned Serco, no-one else. You literally said it cost £35 million and linked to a story about the app and now pretend you are fixing other peoples misquotes? Wow, You then said they had spent less than £10bn without proof.

@Player2hasente2 @pukka60000 @PPEMedpro @GNev2 @MarcusRashford Various people have mentioned Serco, check! I never mentioned the app, I simply said that track and trace didn’t cost £10bn and showed evidence of the cost of the app, as that has often been misquoted. You claimed £10bn had been spent - back it up!

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@robmclean1976 @pukka60000 @PPEMedpro @GNev2 @MarcusRashford You mentioned Serco, who else did? You mentioned the app when the track and trace system was mentioned, you are as clear as mud and as flip floppy as summer shoes. I told you my claim, you are being disengenuous as you cannot back up what you say.

@Player2hasente2 @pukka60000 @PPEMedpro @GNev2 @MarcusRashford I’m spinning nothing, look back my position has been clear and you now trying to reverse it is a pretty pathetic attempt. The claim was made that track and trace had cost £10bn - you supported that - now back it up! Stop with the spin, let’s see your evidence!

@robmclean1976 @pukka60000 @PPEMedpro @GNev2 @MarcusRashford You mentioned Serco, who else did? " I said track and trace hadn’t cost £10bn " Yet you cant prove it and are now trying to spin it as you know you cant.

@Player2hasente2 @pukka60000 @PPEMedpro @GNev2 @MarcusRashford Simple, because that’s what was claimed including that it all went to serco in previous messages. I said track and trace hadn’t cost £10bn - and I’m right, which has been clearly proved. You’ve said, along with Anthony that £10bn has been spent - now prove it!

@robmclean1976 @pukka60000 @PPEMedpro @GNev2 @MarcusRashford Yes, the system has £10bn, its a £10bn system. I did not, anywhere use the words spent with that statement. You did and cannot prove it.

@Player2hasente2 @pukka60000 @PPEMedpro @GNev2 @MarcusRashford No; it’s correct logic. The government budgeted £10bn they never said that would all be spent. You said it was a £10bn system - so you’ve said it has been spent! So prove it, or withdraw!

@robmclean1976 @pukka60000 @PPEMedpro @GNev2 @MarcusRashford Omg, stop repeating what I say. I already asked you tgo prove it or move on now you are spinning it again, getting silly.

@Player2hasente2 @pukka60000 @PPEMedpro @GNev2 @MarcusRashford Nice try, but you made the claim, you defend it - or drop your point! It’s not £10bn system as £10bn hasn’t been spent? If you can’t show £10bn of spending you’re wrong!

@robmclean1976 @pukka60000 @PPEMedpro @GNev2 @MarcusRashford In my book, whatever that is, it reads like this. £10bn for the pogramme which includes contacting people that they are doing around 60% is a failure and i stand by that book.

@Player2hasente2 @pukka60000 @PPEMedpro @GNev2 @MarcusRashford So £10bn doesn’t include all the testing that took place prior to the start of the track and trace process then in your book?

@robmclean1976 @pukka60000 @PPEMedpro @GNev2 @MarcusRashford That was an app, he clearly wasnt talking about that as he mentioned the low contact percentage, the app doesnt do that. I already said the £10bn was for the whole thing, why do you keep repeating it as if it was your statement?

@Player2hasente2 @pukka60000 @PPEMedpro @GNev2 @MarcusRashford No, £35m was the track and trace, which is what was claimed to have cost £10bn. That’s very clear, read the tweets - the £10bn budget is for the whole covid process of test, process, track, trace, enable, etc etc! It’s not me that claimed £10bn had been spent - now defend it

@robmclean1976 @pukka60000 @PPEMedpro @GNev2 @MarcusRashford I've twisted nothing, you claimed £35m, relised you were on about something different. I accept nothing, £10bn is for their whole track and trace programme.

@Player2hasente2 @pukka60000 @PPEMedpro @GNev2 @MarcusRashford No, I asked for this proof from the outset, before you even showed up. Of course, still not had it - now you twist it. But of course the claim then was that it was £10bn for track and trace - a lie! At least you accept that was a lie!

@robmclean1976 @pukka60000 @PPEMedpro @GNev2 @MarcusRashford But you said it hasnt, so prove it or drop your point, simple really.

@Player2hasente2 @pukka60000 @PPEMedpro @GNev2 @MarcusRashford I don’t need to prove it hasn’t all been spent, you do, that is your claim, so prove it!

@robmclean1976 @pukka60000 @PPEMedpro @GNev2 @MarcusRashford Thats a poor point, using that awful logic then the government are saying they have spent it by announcing £10bn for their programme. I did no say it was spent, no claim, you said it wasnt, claim with no evidence.

@Player2hasente2 @pukka60000 @PPEMedpro @GNev2 @MarcusRashford No, I’m using facts - if a £10bn system has failed the. £10bn by definition must have been spent, otherwise it’s not a 10bn system! Also, you’ve not proved it’s failed - you’re standard was also wrong!