Post Gandhi's murder, freedom fighter Dr. Narayan Savarkar was dragged from home, the 1st mob lynching in free India & died due to stone pelting & heavy bleeding. 6000-8000 Brahmin men, women (tortured & raped), children were killed brutally. ZERO punished.
Today is his Jayanti.
@roaneatan Nature knows that to survive, you don't have to be smart like Einstein. You just have to be just a bit smarter than your enemy. That trick might seem dumb to us, but it has worked against snakes for millions of years.
@Vinod_r108 Cats don't panic when they are in a 13 ft hole...
but they do panic when they are up on a tree branch.
...even though they are far far safer falling from a tree branch than when they trapped at the bottom of a pit.
@saglmserkan1@_sumeyra1_ "In science, we don't scan infinity" - No we don't but we also recognize the limits of our experiments.
Theories remain *hypothesized* theory UNLESS CONCLUSIVELY PROVEN by experimentation.
Science is accurate when it says "non-zero probability" of outcomes UNLESS PROVEN to be 0
@PxSammm@_sumeyra1_ Infinite space is a myth; the observable universe is finite in time & size. In science, we don't scan infinity. If a claim expects a physical footprint here/now and leaves none, absence of evidence IS evidence of absence. Otherwise, you're chasing ghosts, not doing physics.
@saglmserkan1@_sumeyra1_ That is true in a finite sized room. But like I said at the onset, it is ONLY IN FINITE SPACE - which is a special case, not a generic rule.
But since the topic is existance IN UNIVERSE, it is Impossible to "have looked and found nothing"
@saglmserkan1@_sumeyra1_ That is true in a finite sized room. But like I said at the onset, it is ONLY IN FINITE SPACE - which is a special case, not a generic rule.
But since the topic is existance IN UNIVERSE, it is Impossible to "have looked and found nothing"
@PxSammm@_sumeyra1_ Mistaking Sagan's words for a universal logic rule is a huge fallacy (Appeal to Ignorance).
As philosopher Elliott Sober corrected it: 'The absence of evidence is indeed evidence of absence, provided that we have looked and found nothing.' Stop misusing it.
@saglmserkan1@_sumeyra1_ No. That is a general rule of science.
All outcomes have non-zero probability unless PROVEN otherwise. Which means, unless u PROVE an elephant does not exist it has to be assumed that there is a non-zero probability that it exists.
Such proof is possible only in finite space.
@PxSammm@_sumeyra1_ When Carl Sagan said this, he meant, 'We haven't found aliens in the universe yet, but that doesn't mean they definitely don't exist.' He is right only within this specific context
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@saglmserkan1@_sumeyra1_ That is literally the opposite of the rule. The actual rule is:
"The absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence"
It was postulated by astronomer Carl Sagan.
@PxSammm@_sumeyra1_ "The statement is merely a theoretical, mathematical fantasy. In real, physical, and empirical science, however, the rule is this: the absence of evidence is evidence of absence."
@saglmserkan1@_sumeyra1_ There is no philosophy of science. There is only science. Science refers to hypotheses that can be tested, and experiments that can be replicated.
@PxSammm@_sumeyra1_ "However, there is a very critical distinction in philosophy and the philosophy of science that you are overlooking: 'Epistemist Probability' (Mental Possibility) and 'Rational Expectation' (Realistic Probability) are not the same thing."
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@saglmserkan1@_sumeyra1_ Actually, You are using "absolute certainty" to certain outcomes. Whereas, I am keeping the door open for all outcomes, however unlikely.
"It is unlikely that I will win the lottery, but it is still not impossible."
@PxSammm@_sumeyra1_ You are basing the limits of knowledge on 'Absolute Certainty', whereas I am speaking in terms of 'Rational Warrant' and 'Functional Proof'.
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@saglmserkan1@_sumeyra1_ No. When we cannot disprove existence, scientifically we call that outcome "unknown". Science does not assign any definitive value to any outcome when there is none.
Everything has a non-zero possibility of existing unless proven that the probability is exactly zero.
@PxSammm@_sumeyra1_ "If we take your approach—meaning the idea that 'nothing can be proven to not exist until you physically see it 100%'—to its radical conclusion, we would be left with neither science nor any logic to sustain our daily lives."
@saglmserkan1@_sumeyra1_ I was stating that specifically in your elephant example, it was not logically proven.
Not seeing an elephant in and around u in local space neither proves nor disproves existence of it. Math proofs work in mathematical perfect universe. Our physical universe is harder.
@PxSammm@_sumeyra1_ The absence of something is definitively proven either if it is logically impossible (like a square circle) or if it does not exist within a defined, limited space (like money in your pocket). Proof is obtained not only through the eyes, but also through the mind.
@NiqabNancy What terrifies me is if Iran were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 300 million Americans.
Imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims?
@MdesiU@cbdhage Hey. Don't judge people by the cover. He might look like a clown on the street and think and talk like a clown on the street but it's possible that he isn't.
@cbdhage don't go by looks. Do you know what the radius of curvature is on the curve? Such curves are designed by engineers not some clown on the street.
@saglmserkan1@_sumeyra1_ Not entirely true. Your supposition relies on the room being finite in size... but the universe is infinite and impossible to eliminate by observation alone. Not seeing something neither proves nor disproves the existence of something. Only Seeing it is a proof.
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