@GreekTweeterV2 @lymanstoneky The blue one saves all of humanity.
The red one will mean people will die.
The choice is extremely simple.
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@RaonakRN @lymanstoneky Yea
The red one that has a statistical 100% survival rate says that
The blue one requires 4.2 billion coin flips
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I’d press red. I have four kids.
If your reading of the scenario is “we are offering the hypothetical only in English and to 3 day old babies who can’t even push buttons” you’re an idiot. Tye scenario necessarily implies the choosers are limited to people *who can understand the choice*.
Udi Wertheimer@udiWertheimer
almost nobody who has children would press red unless they know for an absolute fact that their kids pressed red if you think there’s even a 5% chance your kids pressed blue, you will risk your life to improve their odds even by a tiny bit to take this a step further most women are probably hard-wired to press blue as a motherly instinct anyway, even if they have no children. so at minimum you have a 25% baseline for blue right there, which completely tips the odds so i think blue actually wins by a landslide if this was the real world and not a social media app for incels in other words humanity always had the biological programming to ensure blue wins
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@SevendersOTW @lymanstoneky Then there is no choice at all. The scenario is moot. Thus voting blue continues to make the most sense.
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@RaonakRN @lymanstoneky Let me make one tiny tweak to the scenario. Right before you push a button, you are informed that everyone else on earth has already pushed their buttons and the outcome has been decided. You aren't told which side won.
What do you push now
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No, because in the non-button versions red always wins!
That’s what blue team doesn’t understand— the entire blue victory is contingent on *the specific detail of it being a button*
Make it a woodchipper or a nuke or a drowning tank or any actually lethal object and red wins by a landslide!
Which suggests most blue voters are full of shit and lying about their beliefs!
peepeepoopoo@DeepDishEnjoyer
here's the last thing i'll say about the red/blue button debate. we now know that when polling ended, blue ended up winning. knowing this, isn't one going around trying to convince people to vote red unethical? absent of this proselytizing, people believe in a high trust society
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@SevendersOTW @lymanstoneky Most people would still vote blue, because they want blue to win.
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@RaonakRN @lymanstoneky No it shows that blue winning the vote is the only logical way to save everyone. But we aren't being asked who should win the vote. We are being asked how WE would vote. Those aren't the same thing
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@GreekTweeterV2 @lymanstoneky One says 100% of people live.
One says a random amount of people die.
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@RaonakRN @lymanstoneky TWO BUTTONS
ONE HAS A BIG SKULL AND CROSSBONES ON IT
ONE HAS A SMILEY FACE
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@RaonakRN @spearofdog @lymanstoneky You presently do nothing in real life to save anybody, regardless of how easy or difficult it is.
The only people that can say they’d press blue without being a hypocrite is a fire man, cop, or anybody else that risks their lives for others.
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@photogenicplaty @lymanstoneky No matter what kind of choice, there will never be a 100% vote.
With blue you only need 51% of the vote to save every living person on earth.
That's a very easy and statistically logical choice.
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@RaonakRN @lymanstoneky Why would people press blue at all?
The only reason people need saving is if they press blue. If they don't press blue, there's no need to save them, as they get to live by pressing red.
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@GreekTweeterV2 @lymanstoneky Saving as many people as possible is the logical choice.
Pressing red is a choice driven by fear.
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@RaonakRN @lymanstoneky Saving humanity isnt my goal and neither should it be anyone else's
Under that correct frame of mind, everyone would choose red and live by sheer rational self interest
Your urge to be the keeper of other people would see millions dead. Blue IRL would NEVER reach 50%.
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@photogenicplaty @lymanstoneky Is the goal to save yourself, or save as many people as possible? For me, it's to save as many people as possible.
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@RaonakRN @lymanstoneky Why?
The options are:
1. Press red and live
2. Press blue and hope 4 billion other people press blue otherwise you die
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@photogenicplaty @lymanstoneky People will always push blue. Getting 51% of a vote to save all of humanity is an easy choice.
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@RaonakRN @lymanstoneky Red winning only means that if people are stupid enough to be push blue.
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@DankLordNeato @spearofdog @lymanstoneky There's no way to save humans as easily as pressing a button.
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@RaonakRN @spearofdog @lymanstoneky But you aren’t doing that currently?
You’re safe at home instead of risking your own life to save others.
You could be reducing human deaths at the risk of your own but you’re not
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@photogenicplaty @lymanstoneky Red winning means a large amount of humans will die. Blue winning means nobody will die.
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@RaonakRN @lymanstoneky Red means you live 100%.
Blue means you join a suicide pact and hope enough other people join it to save you.
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@spearofdog @lymanstoneky Yes, but who wouldn't try to reduce human deaths as much as possible lol. It's the entire reason civilisation exists in the first place.
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@SevendersOTW @lymanstoneky It simply shows that blue is the only logical way to save everyone.
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@RaonakRN @lymanstoneky This is a list of (other than the last one) true statements that are not relevant to your choice
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@3RenChengHu Red can only save all humans if 100% of humans vote red.
Blue can save all humans if 51% of humans vote blue.
Getting 51% of the vote is far easier.
Blue is the only real way to make nobody dies.
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Since you have virtually no chance of tipping the balance in an election with 8 billion voters, pushing blue might kill you and almost certainly won't save anyone.
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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@Melty_Leviathan Red can only save all humans if 100% of humans vote red.
Blue can save all humans if 51% of humans vote blue.
Getting 51% of the vote is far easier.
Blue is the only logical choice.
Red is a vote fueled by emotion (fear)
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Emotion over logic
If everyone that presses red lives
Why would anyone ever press blue
Its suicidal empathy
William M Briggs - Statistician to the Stars!@FamedCelebrity
Why does this question make people so angry.
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@GetOuttaHeah @AbeLopezAuthor China, indian, and the islamic religion have way more in common with the rest of humanity than not. They're very highly cooperative. I mean, china is all about sacrificing personal gain for collective gain.
You think it's an us vs them kinda thing, but it's not.
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@RaonakRN @AbeLopezAuthor I think their value systems and cooperation mechanisms may be different. If you haven't modeled for that, you could well be throwing your life away in a quixotic waste.
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Rational people know intrinsically that everyone should press red, it eliminates any question of anyone dying
Irrational (emotionally-driven) people will be compelled to press blue because “it’s the right thing to do”
And the more you try to convince them otherwise the more they’ll dig in
Tim Urban@waitbutwhy
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
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@lymanstoneky Red: 100% of the vote required to save everybody.
Blue: 51% of the vote required to save everybody.
It's easier to rally a 51% vote.
Blue makes more sense to me.
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PRESSING THE BLUE BUTTON IS NOT COOPERATING!!
Pressing the blue button is defecting in an attempt to a murder-suicide pact for half of humans!
Derek Pederson 🇺🇸🇺🇦🇻🇪@DerekPederson3
Honestly this survey is an enormously strong cutting point against both right-libertarian economic views and "offensive realist" foreign policy views. The world just does not correspond to their beliefs about how it "should" work from theory. People are too damn cooperative!
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