This is not about the idea that “some Muslims are good.” Generally, Muslims in the West are quite religious, unlike the secular segment in Turkey. What I really mean is this: the secular segment in Turkey, who call themselves Muslims—your neighbor, I don’t know what type of Muslim they are—actually live more like deists. That’s what I was trying to express.
@Ragabu__yr Yes only a lustful person is like that. Dating is supposed to be a way to get to know someone for intending to marry. I prefer to get to know you and then if you agree then we can get that kind of relationship going
@theHellen_@venom1s I get that as I stated 80% of Muslims are moderate not extremist. That goes for Muslims in other countries. Most are decent people that are trying to live their lives the way they have been taught. I live in Texas and one of my good friends is Muslim and he is a good person.
Let me restate a truth I have observed, one that many people do not know. Turkey’s population is 86 million, and approximately 25% of it belongs to the secular segment, often referred to as moderate Muslims. This group is not as devout as Christians in the West. Even though they identify as Muslim, they do not accept swearing on the Qur’an in court. For example, they do not allow their children to start the school day by reading verses from the Qur’an or praying. They would never send their children to such schools.
In contrast, Christianity in the West is much more integrated into people’s daily lives—for instance, swearing on the Bible, having the Bible present in courtrooms, or including Christian practices in morning school prayers. About 25% of Turkey’s population rejects the integration of such religious practices into their daily lives, meaning into public spaces, and I describe this as a positive characteristic. I consider it a positive trait unique to the people of Turkey.
@Victoria00025 I don’t mind them praying in public as long as they don’t put their lives in danger by praying in the streets or in a business when the owners or employees ask them not to do it on their Floors
@theHellen_@venom1s I agree but look at it this way. There are over 1 billion Muslims in the world but only 15-20% are extremists. Let this sink in that’s 150 million to 200 million extremists that is just shy of the population of the US.
There’s also a reality you probably don’t know. Most Muslims in Turkey live much like moderate Christians do in the West—there’s a whole segment like that. They live completely like Westerners, yet they call themselves Muslims. Not everyone here is an Islamist. Many even drink alcohol, don’t wear headscarves, and raise their children with education just like Westerners. And believe me, in a sense, this segment in Turkey is far less religious than Westerners. One thing I’ve definitely noticed: the secular segment in Turkey—the so-called secular Muslims—is much, much less religious than Christians in the West.
@theHellen_@venom1s Ok I will leave with this. God gave us free agency it is up to us as individuals to make the right decisions in our life but we won’t 100% of the time. We make mistakes everyday. I try and learn from mine
@Raypete498@venom1s Right now, I’m experiencing the state of mind I had when I was trying to get my sister out of Islam. Anyway, fine, I accept her as she is, and I accept you too. No need to go any further.
@theHellen_@venom1s I don’t. Islam is of the Devil because it’s ok to kill for their god. My god is a god of love and forgiveness but you have consequences of your actions. In Islam you can have slaves, child brides, you can kill your daughter if she disobey you ect. My god loves me.
@theHellen_@venom1s Why should I doubt what I have been taught? If I believe it. Then that’s what I believe. I will not doubt my beliefs. I am not perfect I know even though I have been baptized I still have to obey the commandments. That’s why we have the Atonement
@theHellen_@venom1s In Christianity we have the atonement of Jesus Christ. Where he died on the cross for our sins. Now we as Christians have to take responsibility of our actions. We confess to our Heavenly Father and do our best to not return to sin. The thing is we are human we make mistakes.
Those who follow the Abrahamic religions are like this in Islam as well. In Islam, no matter how many sins you commit, because you are a Muslim, you will ultimately go to heaven. There is only one exception: unlike Christianity, in Islam, the right to forgive a sin committed against another person does not belong to God; only the victim can forgive it. For example, if a man rapes a woman, God has no right to forgive it, because it is a crime committed against a human being. God can only forgive sins committed against Himself. For instance, a rapist cannot enter heaven unless the victim forgives him. In general, in all Abrahamic religions, no matter how many sins you commit, you are ultimately forgiven and go to heaven. This provides believers with great convenience: committing any sin and then asking for forgiveness to reach heaven is so easy! This is perhaps why many people continue to believe in these religions.But as a philosopher, it is not like that. For a Plato, for an Aristotle, for me, it is not like that. The concept of higher justice in philosophy says the exact opposite. You remain eternally responsible for all your actions and must pay the consequences.There is much more to say, but there is no need to write further. Because one thing I have learned for certain is that it is impossible to show people what they do not want to see.