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@nye2tw @LehmannsTerms_ @Daysincetrophy @Shamsdale That’s the entire point about financial restructuring and you’ve accidentally made it for me.

@nye2tw @LehmannsTerms_ @Daysincetrophy @Shamsdale Acknowledging that football’s financial structure changed with the Premier League isn’t belittling pre-PL titles; it’s just reality. Chelsea had 1 top flight title before the PL era. They have 5 since.

Btw if you claim to be an Arsenal fan but say that even winning the PL wouldn’t be enough for you to look back on this season favorably or not demand the manager’s head, I hope you walk away from football, at least for a while. You’ve clearly let outside factors ruin it for you.

@nye2tw @LehmannsTerms_ @Daysincetrophy @Shamsdale That’s the point you haven’t addressed. Talk about “better reading comprehension”. lol.

@nye2tw @LehmannsTerms_ @Daysincetrophy @Shamsdale You used Leicester as a contrast to imply Arsenal fans should be embarrassed for valuing a title win. The word miracle isn’t the issue; the framing is. You invoked them to suggest celebrating the league is beneath Arsenal.

Pretending to be busy? You’re not that bright.

@nye2tw @LehmannsTerms_ @Daysincetrophy @Shamsdale Also, Leicester winning the league as 5000/1 underdogs against billionaire clubs is arguably one of the greatest achievement in Premier League history, and you used it as an insult. That’s the tell.

@nye2tw @LehmannsTerms_ @Daysincetrophy @Shamsdale Lmao! Most of those 13 titles (10) predate the Premier League. The game was structurally different. You’re using historical prestige to set expectations in a financial era that has completely reordered the hierarchy. You’re being nostalgic and masking it as ambition and standards

@LehmannsTerms_ @Daysincetrophy @Shamsdale Add that Arteta was navigating his development alongside an equally inexperienced hierarchy in Edu and Vinai, while Klopp inherited a settled structure at Liverpool. Comparing them directly isn’t a high standard; it’s just an uninformed one.

@LehmannsTerms_ @Daysincetrophy @Shamsdale Arteta’s first managerial job was Arsenal. Klopp arrived at Liverpool with 14 years experience, two Bundesliga titles and a UCL final already behind him. That’s not the same timeline, that’s not even the same career stage. It’s a weak comparison.

@LehmannsTerms_ @Daysincetrophy @Shamsdale The point wasn’t about time, it was about context. Slot inherited a ready-made title winning squad. Mikel inherited a broken club. 6 years rebuilding from 8th is not the same as six years at Liverpool. You’ve just ignored the actual argument and replaced it with a laughing emoji.

@Realist645 @Daysincetrophy @Shamsdale Arteta's had 6 years 😂 how long do you want lmaooo

@mortgagemak3r @Shamsdale Exactly that. They haven’t won it YET. Winning it this season would be the proof. That’s the whole argument. We’ve gone in a circle. Good session.

@Realist645 @Shamsdale it doesn’t prove your point because the invincibles proved they can win and this group has not. LMAO. Wtf

@LehmannsTerms_ @Daysincetrophy @Shamsdale Slot won the pl with a squad Klopp built, in a system already embedded, with a dressing room that had done it before. Arteta rebuilt Arsenal from 8th place. The situations aren’t comparable and using Slot as the benchmark quietly assumes the contexts are equivalent. They’re not.

@Realist645 @Daysincetrophy @Shamsdale If it was so unattainably high Slot wouldn't have been able to do it last year. First season, clearly not at the level required as a manager. Arteta has had 10x this opportunity to win it & got nothing over the line

@LehmannsTerms_ @Daysincetrophy @Shamsdale You haven’t cited a single data point in this entire thread, you’ve just asserted that one exists. If the resource/ownership analysis actually supports your conclusion, make it. ‘I know things you don’t’ isn’t the objective framing you think it is.

@Realist645 @Daysincetrophy @Shamsdale It's a very sensible frame based on the resource, support, player pull & ownership stability we have relative to the other clubs at the top of ⚽ If you knew these data points too you'd agree with me, but you presumably only assess our standing on soundbites from our fan media

@mortgagemak3r @Shamsdale The Double/Invincibles timeline proves my point; sustained excellence builds. Nobody’s saying Arteta = Wenger. The argument is simple: PL title this season = outstanding season, cup exits and all. That’s not lowering standards at all, far from it.

@Realist645 @Shamsdale the invincibles also won the double a few years before they went invincibles. The invincibles had one of the best managers in world football. Please never compare Arteta’s chuckle brothers to the invincibles in your life

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@LehmannsTerms_ @Daysincetrophy @Shamsdale You keep saying objective but your whole argument rests on a premise you never justified, that Arsenal’s baseline should be serial trophy winners. That’s not a fact, it’s a chosen frame. Choose a different one and your entire argument falls apart.

@LehmannsTerms_ @Daysincetrophy @Shamsdale Emotional decision? lol. Winning the league after 20 years isn’t an “emotional baseline”, it’s an objective footballing achievement. You’ve just defined success so high that everything below it looks like failure, then called everyone else irrational for disagreeing.

Absolute dross of a take.

@LehmannsTerms_ @Daysincetrophy @Shamsdale We’re better off replacing Arteta even if he wins the club’s first league title in 22 years and hasnt gotten knocked out earlier than the Quarter finals in the UCL. Sure thing pal! Long live those “standards”.

@Realist645 @Daysincetrophy @Shamsdale Winning the league is enough for all our fans, but on its own means we're still better off replacing arteta. Hope this helps 👍🏽