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Jason Braaten

@RevBraats

Man of God, No Respecter of Persons. Husband, Father, Lutheran Pastor, Host of The Gottesdienst Crowd @Gottesdienst2

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The Bugenhagen Conference@BugenhagenCon·
Part 2 of 3 of "Saving the Sons of Missouri" (Link Below)
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The Bugenhagen Conference@BugenhagenCon·
How to deal with changed circumstances and different perspectives and the accompanying generational divides? May the Lord turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers. (Link below)
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The Bugenhagen Conference@BugenhagenCon·
I'm trying to stay off social media during Gesimatide and Lent, but wanted to post a conversation I had with Pr. Peter Burfeind on the @Gottesdienst2 Crowd Podcast with @RevBraats concerning Christian Nationalism. (Link Below)
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The Bugenhagen Conference@BugenhagenCon·
Hess & the conference goers have been slandered all week. I've been called pretty much every name under the sun as well. I'm happy to have a conversation. However, please confirm that you're asking in a brotherly fashion and not as a gotcha question. @toddwilken
Todd Wilken 🇺🇸 וְקָרָאת שְׁמוֹ עִמָּנוּ אֵל@toddwilken

@BugenhagenCon I am interested in the real life implications of asserting that chattel slavery is divinely permitted today. If God permits it, and it were legal, what would the advocates of this position be willing to pay to own a fellow human being?

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1/This is such a drive by splatter argument dressed up in pseudo-intellectualism. @DrJordanBCooper just assumes the evil and bad faith of the unnamed people he attacks. Which is too bad since he has been blessed with gifts and has helped some folks come to Lutheranism.
Dr Jordan B. Cooper@DrJordanBCooper

I don't have a problem with people pushing back against Enlightenment liberalism. There are, I think, good reasons for doing so in several areas. What I do have a problem with, however, is attempts to selectively critique liberalism, or selectively use older sources, to defend some particular prejudice you have in the current cultural political climate, without clear methodological consistency. If you want to try to justify slavery or some other social hierarchical ordering by citing the Enlightenment privileging of "equality" (a term which must be defined because there are all sorts of different kinds of equality), then you must also get rid of all of the other political developments that arise from such a notion of equality. This would include gun rights and individual liberty over things like getting a vaccination or wearing a face mask when the government tells you to. The point is that the same people who constantly claim that they are just rejecting Enlightenment secularism to justify their racial animosity or whatever it might be also rely so heavily on the presuppositions of liberalism that they do not even recognize them. As I have pointed out several times, Luther preaches explicitly to his congregation that they are to submit to their authorities on every single earthly matter. According to Luther, the government can tell you what to do with your bodily life, and the magistrate owns your property. No one adopts this view today (ok, maybe some Marxists do, but in a different context). Of course, people who do this don't actually want to implement Luther's entire political and social theory (and even where they claim to, they don't). They just want to adopt whatever elements of it that they think are politically expedient for their own purposes. Complain about political liberalism all you want, but every Western person lives within it and, to some extent, adopts its ideas. A fish can deny the existence of the water it's swimming in, but it doesn't make the reality any less true. If you *really* just believe that slavery is fine and just because "slavery is in the Bible," then you must also be ok acknowledging that the government has the right to declare your own children to become slaves, right? Because spiritual equality is not the same as civic equality, the government could justly make your children slaves to spend the rest of their lives to some other family. The left hand realm has the ability to do this, right? It would only be the Enlightenment presuppositions of civic equality that could *possibly* make a parent object to such a scenario, right? Slavery isn't, as you say, inherently wrong, right? I have a hard time believing that those who preached sermons against government overreach for telling people to wear cloth over their face would be willing to surrender the individual freedom of their children for the sake of social order. (And since people will bring it up, I am not defending the mandates of the COVID era. I am merely using this as an example of ideological inconsistency.) It couldn't *possibly* be the case that there's something else going on here, and that it's just the enslavement of *Africans* that is being defended.

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Hans Fiene 🦬@HansFiene·
I hate AI music and want it dead and buried and double dead but I must say it would be tempting to be able to take a picture of a hymn and ask AI to separate the SATB lines and create audio files of them and then send them to congregation members by voice part.
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@Daniel_Ross622 @WmWeedon Red herring. I’m not stating anything about enforcement, or how it would work. I’m asking you why you think what has been put forward by the people you are calling liars and deceivers is contrary to the Word of God, the Lutheran Confessions, and the Lutheran fathers.
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I don’t think this has to be either/or. As is obvious from the history of the church with Constantine, et al. But the implication of this position seems to be that it would be wrong for a nation comprised of (for the sake of argument) 100% Christians to enact legislation that is Christian. That’s the question that this line of reasoning raises: it sounds like you’re arguing that passing legislation that is Christian (in line with biblical teachings) is contrary to what it means to be Christian.
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Red Herring: You are making an argument against something that no one has advocated (at least of the people mentioned in this thread). And re: last point, the histories of the OT indicate that those legislators were commanded by God. So I’m not sure what point you’re making? Surely, you’re not saying God was mistaken and the kings shouldn’t have listened to him.
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Eric Brown@EricBrownPastor·
@RevBraats The government utilizes force. The Sword. The sword cannot generate faith, and I don't think that blue laws serve that goal either. The Law doesn't create faith. And the example historically in the histories of the OT doesn't lead one to think it would work.
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@Daniel_Ross622 I understand that. I’m still waiting for that evidence. I’m all for assertions. The Christian, as Luther states in The Bondage of the Will, delights in them. But I would like to see your evidence to the contrary.
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Interesting that @DrJordanBCooper says he’s reached out to talk about this. I don’t recall that interaction or anything that might lead up to it. But it figures at the way he framed what Hess was actually defending.
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Dr Jordan B. Cooper@DrJordanBCooper·
@TheDonStein @blakecallens Be real, Don. The Gottesdienst crowd and others are all borrowing from this stuff too. Remember how that recent conference had an LCMS pastor defend chattel slavery, and was then given a standing ovation? It's nuts over here too. All the same crap.
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