Rob Platts MBE

@letocq @HeidiSoulsby Whilst we could keep our law if the UK leaves the Convention, it's possible that islanders would no longer have access to the European Court of Human Rights. This ultimate and independent court of appeal is fundamental to our rights.

Concerning to hear U.K. Government looking to leave ECHR. This could well impact Guernsey as we’re not a sovereign state. This is the 70th year since our participation was extended. I hope that @letocq and P&R will be lobbying on our behalf, alongside other CDs.

@albundysdad @marshy38 @DeborahMeaden Universal human rights are an essential part of modern democracies. If a government decides to ignore internationally agreed rights, that country will not be operating a true system of democracy.

the European Court of Human rights, set up to prevent the atrocities of World War 11 ever happening again, is there to protect the people .. us.. from the State. I’d say we should be pretty worried about our Govts threat to come out of it… or have we become sheep?

@JackieD86388657 Right now, the only label we might accurately use is "fellow human being". If these individuals were seeking asylum, which we know is likely, then they were certainly not "illegal" because anyone has a right to seek asylum in a country of their choice.

I hardly ever watch This Morning but they're currently chatting about the 6 people who died. Josie called them REFUGEES 🤦 the refugees who died 🤦 They're not refugees, they're illegal economic migrants. 🤡🌍🤡🌍

@ammejo1 @DeborahMeaden @albundysdad Context is important. At that time, it was reasonable to believe that the vaccine might prevent infection (it did, but not with the hoped for efficacy). The perceived choice was to either mandate the jab or risk the deaths of many vulnerable people.

@Rob_Platts @DeborahMeaden @albundysdad Then it's a choice! To say anyone working with vulnerable people must take a jab, especially when said person had already had covid is wrong. Those who want a jab can have it or not that is what's morally right. You dont get to decide what medication people should have

@sheila_0060 @ammejo1 @DeborahMeaden @albundysdad Indeed, which is very worrying. We should remember that Hitler was democratically elected. An independent bill of rights would return the UK to a similar form of democracy, because it will lack the independent court that guarantees respect for our rights and freedoms.

@Rob_Platts @ammejo1 @DeborahMeaden @albundysdad That’s precisely why they want a UK bill! Wake up people - were being conned every which way we turn

@ammejo1 @DOCasBAC @DeborahMeaden @albundysdad You are conflating two different pieces of legislation. It's confusing, but the Canadian Human Rights Act is actually discrimination legislation. Our human rights law is completely different and does not directly deal with discrimination.

@DOCasBAC @DeborahMeaden @albundysdad This is what Canadians "human rights allow" twitter.com/wesyang/status…

@ammejo1 @BestKirsti35232 @CurnowBronwyn @DeborahMeaden @albundysdad Criminals are not afforded more rights. Rights are universal.

@BestKirsti35232 @CurnowBronwyn @DeborahMeaden @albundysdad When criminals and murderers get afforded more human rights then their victims we have an issue and when some on the left scream continuously about human rights for those still not to be deported using the ECHR it's not working

@ammejo1 @DeborahMeaden @albundysdad My understanding is that it's not an all or nothing effect. The vaccines reduce the chances and severity of infection and, If a vaccinated person does get infected, vaccines reduce the time it takes to clear.

@Rob_Platts @DeborahMeaden @albundysdad What public safety! You are either immune to covid after the jab or your not and if your not then what you say is null and void!

@Paul_Hand @clw9999 @ammejo1 @DeborahMeaden @albundysdad Thats not correct. Many professions require employees to be vaccinated; medics, members of the armed forces, certain jobs working with children or animals, etc. Additionally, many countries require visitors to have certain vaccines (yellow fever, etc).

@clw9999 @ammejo1 @Rob_Platts @DeborahMeaden @albundysdad Wrong people were given a deadline to take a covid shot or face losing their job. No other jab is mandated in this way. I bet you were one of those supporting this act too. Now look at the issues coming to surface. Those that resisted are being proven right!

@Paul_Hand @clw9999 @ammejo1 @DeborahMeaden @albundysdad That's not correct. For example, medics and members of the armed forces are required to have various vaccinations. Certain travel destinations also require travellers to be vaccinated (yellow fever, etc).

@ammejo1 @DeborahMeaden @albundysdad No one can be forced to be vaccinated. However, ECHR did rule that certain employees could be required to be vaccinated in the interest of public safety or face losing their job.

@Rob_Platts @DeborahMeaden @albundysdad The same European Court of Human Rights that cared NOT about the human rights of people not wanting a jab? Funny how we scream human rights for those who do and have lied to gain access to the UK but silence of the rights of citizens mot to be worried about 1000s of males enter

@albundysdad @DeborahMeaden "Stops our democracy from being able to function". No doubt Hitler would have have said the same. Our system of rights are preventing inhumanities and guarding against tyranny of the majority, which, in my mind, means the system is doing exactly what it should.

@ammejo1 @DeborahMeaden @albundysdad It is not possible that a UK bill of rights could adequately replace our current system of rights protection because it would not have the key element of independent oversight that's currently provided by the European Court of Human Rights.

@DeborahMeaden @albundysdad You confuse the ECHR as being about our rights and protection when it's being used in direct abuse of our rights to not want unlimited and unchecked immigration. The UK wrote the majority of the ECHR and it can be replaced with a bill of human rights that focus on our rights

This is a school meal in Rome. France has similar high standards. Why do we contract out children’s school meals to the lowest bidder, when nutrition is an important factor in health & child development.

@gavinstpier A full explanation is overdue. The longer P&R takes, the worse this appears.

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@gavinstpier @JEPnews Isn't it somewhat disappointing that those in the media who filmed and wrote about this conversation didn't understand the constitutional position in the first place?

ICYMI in @JEPnews “Baker’s responses to unexpected questions will go nowhere. They are yesterday’s news that will be quickly forgotten. However, we should learn lessons from them.”

@darrin2999 @gavinstpier If Guernsey does not challenge this bill, will we not be complicit in establishing a law that contravenes both our Human Rights Law and international refugee law?

@gavinstpier Doesn't really impact us.

UK Illegal Migration Bill publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill… Impact on us: a) cl30-36 – direct effect (by virtue of cl56(6)); b) cl56(5) – permissive extent clause, enabling SoS to make cl3(5) regulations (which, by cl54 would not need to be laid before Parliament but could be annulled);

@gavinstpier Not only does the bill contravene the ECHR, it also contravenes international refugee law. The whole purpose of our human rights protections is to curb this form of government excess.

The irony of the name chosen for this legislation; did no-one in government comms spot it?

@Lindsay_Gsy @LouLTots Too much, too young - The Specials. Can't see that panning out!

@LouLTots 👀

Mine was Can We Fix It? (Bob the Builder) 😳 Do you think it'll take the whole year to find out...? 😅