fpl-dont-talk-to-the-locals

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fpl-dont-talk-to-the-locals

@Robobosaurus2

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Looking for Growth@lfg_uk·15h

…BEHOLD! The route from Milton Keynes to Cambridge. Cambridge, to London, then on to Milton Keynes. There is NO direct rail link. There MUST be. Their combined GDP is over £20 BILLION. GET IT BUILT, NOW. Would you like this to be your commute?

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fpl-dont-talk-to-the-locals@Robobosaurus2·14h

@JohnSmi21372434 Our national democracy is not unlimited democracy, it's a liberal democracy (democracy bound by liberal principles - the right to life, liberty and property) But they just make metaphysical points about the nature of the working class to justify why they won't draw any red lines

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John Smith@JohnSmi21372434·21h

Find the attempts to make this a class thing baffling. The very middle class Seamus Milne holds extremely cranky views which made his position under Corbyn controversial.

Restoration@leftrestoration

Thank you for proving our point Oz. Working class people can't get represented in Labour because middle class people don't trust them and only want to let them in if they follow rules about gender, foreign conflicts, immigration etc. that they weren't in the room to write.

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fpl-dont-talk-to-the-locals@Robobosaurus2·16h

@leftrestoration If you don't feel the need to distance your sell for the no to nato wing of the part don't cry when you but in the same bucket as them Lay with dogs and all that Now I have to go back to work, because I'm working class and have a job (you can keep tweet as you don't...)

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Restoration@leftrestoration·16h

@Robobosaurus2 We just don't feel the need to reiterate that we don't support Putin again and again in order to indulge trolling morons

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Restoration@leftrestoration·22h

If you've been led to believe Restoration is a pro Putin group that wants to undermine Labour's contribution to the war in Ukraine you are a credulous idiot.

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fpl-dont-talk-to-the-locals@Robobosaurus2·16h

@leftrestoration Are those so different from 'what if there pro putin?' The point of the crazy hyperthical was is there any where you would draw a clear red line, you answered no... And the greens very middle class and they do face these questions I'm for swinton, I'm not part of the elite lol

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Restoration@leftrestoration·22h

Yesterday we had a conversation where we told people on twitter that our group wants to see more working class people joining Labour. Part of this means emphasising the importance of other things than foreign policy to a persons life: family, work, community. 98% of Britain doesn't use twitter the way the terminally online do, and Labour is hundreds of thousands of paying members smaller than it was in the post war era when our party had widespread working class support. Along with being called Putin sympathisers, the responses to this "dogma" included questions like: 'what if they are violent convicts' 'what if they are Nazis' 'what if they are peadophiles' 'what if they are rapists'. If our stated aim was to get more middle class people into Labour, would we be asked things like this?

fpl-dont-talk-to-the-locals@Robobosaurus2

@leftrestoration Its just pure dogma A working class person with 47 violent convictions, or with a swastika tattooed on there forehead should not be behind the wheel no... Yes these are rare edge cases, but we're watching you sweep for such an edge case now and it's telling

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fpl-dont-talk-to-the-locals@Robobosaurus2·16h

@leftrestoration I'm rubber your glue You won't answer the question on weather your back a pro putin working class candidate (take a firm stance and prove me wrong...) Then you insult working class members by calling us names lol Shelf appointed champions of the working class nothing more...

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Restoration@leftrestoration·22h

@Robobosaurus2 Idiot

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fpl-dont-talk-to-the-locals@Robobosaurus2·1d

@AndyBurnhamFC It raises a big question about what we stand for as a party Its not enough to just be pro worker, the things she's saying are not compatible with liberal democracy, I'm pro big tent, it's a very low bar she keeps tripping over tho...

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fpl-dont-talk-to-the-locals@Robobosaurus2·1d

@AndyBurnhamFC I think being this uneducated is a form of contempt for the electorate She's not a bloke down the pub, she's earns a very good living being a polition and she owes it to her constituency to be informed on the basic facts on such topics Labour should draw a hard line on this

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Simon 🇬🇧🌹@AndyBurnhamFC·1d

As much as I disagree with what she's saying, being uneducated on foreign policy isn't a crime and I don't think it should be a suspendible offence. It'd be worth talking to some of these people on the matter rather than just demonising them and vindicating Starmer

Ukraine Solidarity Campaign 🇺🇦✊🏽🚩@UkraineSol

We hadn't seen this. It's Diane Abbott MP at the "peace conference" in London last month, calling the Russian war on Ukraine "the NATO campaign against Russia". She lists a series of acts of imperial aggression and violence and concludes it with that appalling description 🧵

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fpl-dont-talk-to-the-locals@Robobosaurus2·1d

@leftrestoration Your candidate says reasonable reasonable minds can disagree on putin It is important as it shows that she has a blind spot to her left Your candidate will not stand up to the far left and will sane was there conspiracy theories, thus she's an ally of there's

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Restoration@leftrestoration·1d

We will work with momentum if it came to a selection panel and we needed their votes for a working class Labour candidate, but we have no endorsement from Momentum. Oz is clearly an egotist,anyone who could put Ukrainian lives in front of their own image would be able to see it's better for pro NATO people to have two restoration candidates over two momentum candidates on labours NEC, but it seems Oz s priority is building his twitter image.

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Restoration@leftrestoration·1d

What Oz fails to understand with this outburst is that Labour members have two choices for 8th and 9th place on the NEC - either Restoration or Momentum. If he were truly thinking this through, he'd look through Momentum's history of anti-West foreign policy and realise who's the better option. But it's classic modern politics to virtue signal first and ask questions later.

Oz Katerji@OzKaterji

If you are a supporter of Ukraine in the Labour Party, do not under any circumstances vote for the (@LeftRestoration) slate including Stella Tsantekidou for the NEC. They have made it very clear that they will not be reliable pro-Ukraine allies if elected.

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fpl-dont-talk-to-the-locals@Robobosaurus2·1d

@leftrestoration Stella said that reasonable minds can disagree on this, do you share that opinion?

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Restoration@leftrestoration·1d

Stella's analysis of the real danger that someone as marginalised from Labours mainstream as Diane Abbot is true. She isn't going to influence the party on Ukraine. If you use this spurious fear mongering to argue we have identical tendencies towards defence and NATO as Momentum we can't but conclude you were never interested in our work to begin with.

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fpl-dont-talk-to-the-locals@Robobosaurus2·1d

@leftrestoration No my argument is that you pull up chairs for them at the table, and sweep for them, whist trying to tell people your not them Thats a hard message to sell 'were not them on this topic, but we also refuse to hard line of this topic, and think momentum aren't that bad'

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fpl-dont-talk-to-the-locals@Robobosaurus2·1d

@leftrestoration What if they side with putin? You won't engage with what was said, and its telling

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Restoration@leftrestoration·1d

@Robobosaurus2 Thanks again for illustrating the kinds of ridiculous arguments we come up against in trying to get working class people back into the party founded for them. 'what if they have Nazi tattoos on their foreheads' Yes, what if indeed.

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Restoration@leftrestoration·1d

There is always a reason now, found wihin organisations that were originally founded on the basis of social class, to exclude working class people. Behind every argument is the simple fact that too many default to the idea that working class people can't be trusted at the wheels of power and so ever more tests are created before working class people can be represented in the organisation they founded for themselves. What if they don't have the right idea about the Middle East? What if they don't have the right ideas about Europe? What if they don't understand gender issues? What if they don't understand this war, or that sexual identity? In doing this there is always an implicit mistrust of someone's ability to have a moral understanding of the world because they don't do a high status job. We are against that prejudice and we will always be against that idea and we will always trust working class people to make moral decisions well.

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fpl-dont-talk-to-the-locals@Robobosaurus2·1d

@leftrestoration @OzKaterji Most people are forgien policy agnostic (woth isrealipalestine being a temporary exception), so forgien policy cranks can get in on economic populism domestic policy Most people who support diane are good people who don't know she's a crank on foreign policy

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Restoration@leftrestoration·1d

@OzKaterji If you think Stop The War are reflective or working class opinion in Britain then you are dense Oz. Sorry to be so candid but there's no other diagnosis.

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Oz Katerji@OzKaterji·1d

Here is a list of the trade unions that supported Diane’s little pro-Putin conference. You want me to put blind trust in you, and them? And I’m the one prone to exaggeration? Ok 👍🏽

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fpl-dont-talk-to-the-locals@Robobosaurus2·1d

@abesilbe It won't be costless If you can't punch left, and worst than that sweep for the far left, then it's hard to convince people that your not them They will be used as sticks to beat labour with, these people have no place in a democratic movement they will only harm us

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Abe Silberstein@abesilbe·1d

Diane Abbott is 72 and is not going to be in the cabinet—nor, in all likelihood, in a future frontline position for the Labour Party. This is an easy, more or less costless gesture that Andy Burnham can make to the party's left.

Sam Rushworth MP@SamJRushworth

Utterly disgraceful comment. I admire how Diane's trailblazed politics for black women and many of her contributions over the years including on Assisted Suicide, but her view on Ukraine is wrong and totally unacceptable in Labour. @andyburnham must not give this view the whip

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fpl-dont-talk-to-the-locals@Robobosaurus2·1d

@leftrestoration Either we should reject a candidate over foreign policy or not Your candidate said Dianes conspiracy towdel was just a 'difference of opinion' Your candidate think imperialism is something reasonable minds can disagree on If you don't like momentum to pull out chairs for them

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Restoration@leftrestoration·1d

@Robobosaurus2 Both are true.

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fpl-dont-talk-to-the-locals@Robobosaurus2·1d

@leftrestoration @btharris93 And that is typically the case But the question at hand is what to do when a working classing person in the party starts spouting conspiratorial nonsense But that's why you won't address what was said, you have to get meta physical about the nature of the working class instead

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Restoration@leftrestoration·1d

@btharris93 In that case you'd expect working class people to come into labour and agree with you

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Ben Harris@btharris93·1d

"Follow rules about foreign conflict" Not making excuses for Russian warmongering isn't a "rule", it's just basic morals and common sense.

Restoration@leftrestoration

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fpl-dont-talk-to-the-locals@Robobosaurus2·1d

@Stsantek Jheeez starmers purges 100% justified "Conspiracy theories and facts should hold equal weight" is a whild thing to say... And why do people get so meta phsycal when there in the wrong - if you want to defend it puff out your whole chest and do so...

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Stella Tsantekidou@Stsantek·1d

I am concerned by the insistence of so-called centrists to demonise the airing of views one iota removed from their own equally subjective worldview.

lee harpin@lmharpin

Understand there is growing concern amongst some senior Labour figures that Andy Burnham’s ‘broad church’ approach to PLP and the wider party is unsustainable going forwards. Speed at which Diane Abbott speech video, in which she offers views on NATO and Syria way outside mainstream Labour policy, has spread on social media adding to concerns.

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fpl-dont-talk-to-the-locals@Robobosaurus2·1d

@leftrestoration If you think it matters that ur candidates are better on foreign policy, then you should answer the hyperthetical And even away for foreign policy, what Diane said was immoral and conspiratorial, these r bad qualities and should inform how we vote, more than being workingclass

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fpl-dont-talk-to-the-locals@Robobosaurus2·1d

@leftrestoration I'm sorry but it's either A) foreign policy is none of our concern, our mission is to get working class people elected Or B) our candidates are still better than momentum's on foreign policy Your trying to have your cake and eat it

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