@quasischoolman @kseniaofptrs @IHaveAyytism They confuse the terms imagining God either as an actionless nature or as a natureless action, neither make any sense or conform with what the holy fathers teach.
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@RomanosOrthodox @kseniaofptrs @IHaveAyytism It seems that by essentia, what the Latins mean is not what we call ousia but call energeia.
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“Created effects of the uncreated energy” .
Apophatic ☦️@apophatic_
The Palamite Synods clearly teach that the manifestation of the divine energies within creation are created effects of the uncreated energy. It is evident that anybody claiming otherwise has not read Dr. Tikhon Pino's book. @Fearless__Truth
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After the demoniac latin protestant was refuted with his own quotation, he immediately proceeds to block me. They have not changed in 7 centuries: 1) Are utterly debunked and exposed as sophists. 2) Run away and spit bile.
Roman ☦️@RomanosOrthodox
@PatrologyVotary @BatuZerk @cappadocianfan @d833320 @apophatic_ @Fearless__Truth The quote literally states that we do not and cannot know the essence of God, but that we can merely know that God exists (“is”). God does what? Exists (verbal predicate). Existing is an action that God does, not His very essence. The quote is in line with Letter 234 of st. Basil
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@PatrologyVotary @BatuZerk @cappadocianfan @d833320 @apophatic_ @Fearless__Truth And you, demonic heretic, thought it was some slam dunk/mic drop moment. What a ridiculous bunch of sophists you latins are.
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@RomanosOrthodox @BatuZerk @cappadocianfan @d833320 @apophatic_ @Fearless__Truth You know, I entered this conversation was a cordial observation and you came out swinging against me for no reason, and here you are still doing so.
I’ll leave you with this from Athanasius:
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The Palamite Synods clearly teach that the manifestation of the divine energies within creation are created effects of the uncreated energy. It is evident that anybody claiming otherwise has not read Dr. Tikhon Pino's book. @Fearless__Truth
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@PatrologyVotary @BatuZerk @cappadocianfan @d833320 @apophatic_ @Fearless__Truth The quote literally states that we do not and cannot know the essence of God, but that we can merely know that God exists (“is”). God does what? Exists (verbal predicate). Existing is an action that God does, not His very essence. The quote is in line with Letter 234 of st. Basil
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@PatrologyVotary @BatuZerk @cappadocianfan @d833320 @apophatic_ @Fearless__Truth Only an insane polytheist can claim to have knowledge of the Divine essence. Knowledge implies participation or sharing. Only 3 Persons share God’s essence, and neither you nor your thomists buddies are really included in the Godhead.
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@RomanosOrthodox @BatuZerk @cappadocianfan @d833320 @apophatic_ @Fearless__Truth When we say “God”, we are referring to nothing but his essence
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@PatrologyVotary @BatuZerk @cappadocianfan @d833320 @apophatic_ @Fearless__Truth Countless thomists to this day accuse us of polytheism basing their claims on faulty barlaamite presuppositions. The entire “filioque” disaster (inherited later by protestants) can’t be resolved because you latins cling to the claim that the only uncreated is the Divine essence.
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@RomanosOrthodox @BatuZerk @cappadocianfan @d833320 @apophatic_ @Fearless__Truth A big part of the problem is that the Essence-Energies distinction and Palamite theology has bene branded by many EOs as Palamas (and therefore the EOC) vs “the Latins”/“The West”, when in reality it was Palamas vs Barlaam, who was never representative of Western theology.
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@kseniaofptrs @IHaveAyytism The latins’ position is the one of sophistry and delusion. If the uncreated Divine Truth (the only Truth there is) doesn’t come down to us (as they equate it with God’s unreachable essence), then making inherently true claims becomes impossible, which is clearly a contradiction.
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@kseniaofptrs @IHaveAyytism The latins deny that manifestations of God in creation are themselves uncreated. The Orthodox affirm that these manifestations aren’t creatures. They teach that the only uncreated is the Divine essence, which is completely unknowable and unreachable, according to the saints.
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@orthoanbheanin @GigaBasedDad Do you understand that this kind of reasoning is fallacious? It’s called a genetic fallacy. Things happening in your church could be wrong. God warns against blindly following clerics many times in His Revelation: “And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch”.
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@RomanosOrthodox @GigaBasedDad I’m going to trust my priest and what I have seen and heard in my church over a comment on the internet.
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Serious Question
Protestants, do you believe Catholics will go to heaven?
Catholics, do you believe Protestants will go to heaven?
Do your best to keep it civil pls but be honest too
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@LukasNectarios @apophatic_ @Fearless__Truth Your original post and the quote you provided have nothing in common. I have refuted your original post showing how it’s wrong verbatim.
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@RomanosOrthodox @apophatic_ @Fearless__Truth So you think Saint palamas contradicts him self 👍🏻 good job bro
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@orthoanbheanin @GigaBasedDad The Church has never promoted praying for the non-Orthodox departed let alone in Liturgy. The saints condemn this practice. It is useless and gives false hopes - there’s neither repentance nor Baptism in hell. It is pelagian and universalist as it implicitly denies John 3:5.
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@RomanosOrthodox @GigaBasedDad I didn’t specify or limit it to Divine Liturgy. I said during prayers AND the Divine Liturgy. Specifically the Litany of Fervant Supplication and Moliebens.
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@orthoanbheanin @GigaBasedDad There is no part of the saint John Chrysostom’s Liturgy in which the non-Orthodox departed are prayed for or commemorated. You can literally look it up.
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@RomanosOrthodox @GigaBasedDad Alright I’ll just go tell my priest to stop doing that then since Roman from X said so.
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@orthoanbheanin @GigaBasedDad It’s not part of the Liturgy to pray for the non-Orthodox departed, you’re factually incorrect. The saints (e.g. st. Agustine, st. Gregory the Great) teach against praying for those who died out of Communion with the Church, as it is meaningless and promotes universalism.
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@RomanosOrthodox @GigaBasedDad If that’s true, why then do we pray for non-orthodox and non-orthodox departed in prayers and liturgy?
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@orthoanbheanin @GigaBasedDad Orthodoxy is the Truth. Outside of the Truth are only lies. God can’t lie and save those who reject Him.
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@RomanosOrthodox @GigaBasedDad Are you saying that Christ is incapable of working outside of Orthodoxy?
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@James_Theuer @Dawkinizer @Zoboomafoodie I think I’ll just block you. It was quite sad to find out that you are so delusional, didn’t expect that honestly. Hopefully you’ll become an Orthodox Christian one day. All unrepentant evolutionists will be thrown into the lake of eternal fire for their atheism and blasphemy.
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The cringe libtard scientist who demands “evidence” (me) vs the based and trad presuppositionalist science hater with an impenetrable fortress of a mind.
jestergoon ☦️@fool2theworld
@Zoboomafoodie Muh evidence 😭 ahhh libtard
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@Dawkinizer @ruckusofantioch @James_Theuer @Zoboomafoodie These are all fantasies not found objectively in the observable reality. Your belief in them is based on a misplaced trust and unfounded assumptions.
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@RomanosOrthodox @ruckusofantioch @James_Theuer @Zoboomafoodie Don’t you also reject the existence of DNA, entropy, Carbon-14, infectious diseases, and heliocentrism? You seem to reject all learning about the natural world as a possible endeavor, not just historical science.
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@James_Theuer @Dawkinizer @Zoboomafoodie So genealogies in the Gospels are incomplete, according to you?
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@James_Theuer @Dawkinizer @Zoboomafoodie You think it’s a fact that Jesus Christ had a non-human ancestor?
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@Dawkinizer @ruckusofantioch @James_Theuer @Zoboomafoodie You’re intentionally conflating categories. You’re not “learning about the natural world” as it is right now, you’re promoting delusional theories and models regarding its alleged unobservable past on the basis of conjecture and anti-Christian pseudo-philosophical lies.
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@ruckusofantioch @James_Theuer @RomanosOrthodox @Zoboomafoodie Agreed brother. I go to the fathers for theology, but I study science to learn about the natural world.
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@RomanosOrthodox @Dawkinizer @Zoboomafoodie I mean I don't know if that is claimed - tiktaalik may not be a "reptile" specifically
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