Sean Campbell

@Smiths_history " ... they're still there" (2.56-3.02). I first learnt of this lyric in a Melody Maker pamphlet on the band (I think written by Simon Reynolds) around 1989-90. I had definitely wondered if the title of the new album was a self-conscious echo of this line.

Anyone else wondering whether the title of Morrissey's latest album and song of the same name is referencing the 'All the lies about make-up and long hair...' line from 'The Queen is Dead'? 🤔 #Morrissey #TheSmiths

@fallon_donal The writer of the article that you cite (JB) has of course a long history of authoring such pieces. See p. 25 of 'Irish Blood, English Heart' for examples. In 1984, she told Time Out: 'I hate the Irish, I think they're appalling' (‘Red devil’, Time Out, 17–23 May 1984, p. 27).

@fallon_donal Fully agree. Coogan, like MacGowan and Rowland, identified as partly (or wholly) Irish long before they became 'celebrities'. The rest of the 2nd-gen identified similarly. It would be odd if they didn't identify to some extent with the country of their parents and wider families.

Pointing out Shane MacGowan was born in Kent, or Kevin Rowland was born in Staffordshire, isn't the great 'gotcha' people think. For many of the second generation Irish, being born in a stable didn't make them a horse. If you can't understand that, Ireland must be a mystery.

@DanMulhall I think these identities are articulated differently due to the diff accommodations of being Irish in the US & Irish in Britain. A hyphenated identity is lived out by millions born in Britain to Irish parents. But no umbrella designation, other than '2nd-gen' or '[city]-Irish'.

Could we have an Irish British identity in the way that there is an Irish America, or are the two sets of circumstances fundamentally different?

@MaryKenny4 And part of a longer story of 2nd-gen Irish musicians (Lydon/Smiths/Dexys/Pogues/Oasis) and dual identity. I tried to explore this in 'Irish Blood, English Heart' book (Cork) & TV doc 'Guth' (TG4). Very pleased to be speaking on it at @EPICMuseumCHQ in Aug epicchq.com/event/irish-bl…

Ed Sheeran’s affirmation that he is “culturally Irish” puts him in a category of flourishing “Irish Brits” raised in England, but who’d spend their holidays with the Irish grandparents. A more fluid Irish-British identity defined. My Irish Indo column

@RalphMcLeanShow Just finding out about this now, Ralph. It is desperately sad news. I i/viewed Barry in 2019 for an article I wrote for Études irlandaises. He was hugely generous with his time & incredibly insightful. An enormous figure in UK publishing & real gentleman. He will be sorely missed

Remembering #BarryMcIlheney - legendary music writer, Radio Ulster broadcaster, founder and publisher of Empire magazine ,Shock Treatment frontman and proud Belfast boy - with his old band mate Davy McLarnon on the evening show tonight. Some man for one man. Much loved & missed.

@spiderstacy @kittyempire @O2ApolloManc @kittyempire666

Thanks @kittyempire for this fantastic review of our show @O2ApolloManc - the fire still burns 🔥 observer.co.uk/culture/music/…

@tobytyke69 @poguesofficial @StickInTheWheel Sounds incredible. Please forgive the prosaic question: do you happen to know what time the gig finished?

What an epic gig in Leeds last night. One of the greatest nights I can remember. The @poguesofficial and @StickInTheWheel were on fire. Brilliant guest vocalists too.

@Smiths_history I found out, while researching my book 'Irish Blood, English Heart', that this gig was definitely at Trinity College. The gig and venue were mentioned in a couple of articles shortly afterwards. See, for example, Hot Press, 27 January 1984, p. 16; Irish Times, 23 May 1984, p. 10.

9th December 1983 - The Smiths play their first gig outside England in Dublin. It was either at Trinity College or the SFX. Anyone go who can confirm which one? #TheSmiths

@Smiths_history This i/view echoes a phrase that M had used in Melody Maker in Sept 87. There, he had said: "I'm the only person I know who can take a day-trip to Carlisle and get emotional about what he sees". Here, he says: "for me, a trip to Carlisle is an emotional experience". Why Carlisle?

October 1987 - a brief interview with Morrissey is featured in Company magazine. "Southerners seem to regard living in the north as either a medical phenomenon or the reason for having a strange diet" #TheSmiths #Morrissey illnessasart.com/2020/03/09/com…

@simon_price01 @thecure @learnandsing @MaryRobinsonCtr @BallinaFringe @spellboundclub Nice to see your Cure book making an oblique appearance on today's BBC News at Six, resting on @KieranMaguire's bookshelf during his interview about the Man City trial

@DrMaryBurke @theirishfor Yes, McDonagh very relevant. 'I always felt somewhere kind of in-between [Irish and English]. I felt half-and-half and neither ... I’m happy having a foot in both camps. I’ve come to a place where the ambiguities are more interesting than choosing a strict path and following it'.

@theirishfor Martin McDonagh, self-styled "punk playwright," is relevant too: researchgate.net/publication/29…

Currently reading this bad boy- have any of ye had the pleasure?

@IveaghGael @theirishfor So if you are born in England of Irish parents, you are generally called second-generation Irish. Second-generation here means the offspring of parents who were born elsewhere. First-generation Irish generally refers to Irish-born migrants. See this doc: coventryirishsociety.com/help-support/p….

@SPGCampbell @theirishfor If one’s parents are Irish any child is first generation, it’s not really that fucking complicated. He had fuckall English in him

@MabonMedrod @theirishfor As Shane was born (and educated) in England he was included as 2nd-gen. He often described himself, in the 80s, as 'having Irish parents' or being 'from an Irish family' (i.e. as someone of Irish descent, rather than as Irish-born). Perhaps something like 1.5 gen would be better?

@theirishfor Second generation my fucking hole, Shane was 100% Irish but I suppose you piteoga have to do these mental gymnastics to justify your fucking gormach athletes

@realjohncarvill @theirishfor The original title was Irish Blood, English Heart? However, the question mark didn't look right in the sleeve design, so was removed. Using the song title was clearly just a shorthand to evoke the issue of Irish-English identity among second-generation Irish rock & pop musicians.

@IveaghGael @theirishfor Obvs Shane's view of himself changed in the post-Pogues period and he began to see himself less as 2nd-gen or London-Irish. And there's an argument that as he spent so much time in Tipp between 1 & 5 that he might be considered as (what 1 sociologist) called 1.5 generation (2/2)

@IveaghGael @theirishfor In the book I used a standard definition of second-generation and included Shane as he was born (and educated) in England. In the 80s Shane often described himself as 'having Irish parents' or being 'from an Irish family' and was often seen as 2nd-generation or London-Irish (1/2)

@theirishfor @jwilli7 Many thanks indeed for picking up the book. Hope you are enjoying it. I'd be delighted to speak with you about it. There was also a TV series ('Guth: Musical Sons of the Irish Diaspora') that drew on the book, and featured episodes on Lydon, Smiths & Oasis (shown on TG4 in 2013).

@jwilli7 Is he on social media? I think I'd like to pick his brain.