Say no to doctor substitution with non doctors UK

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Say no to doctor substitution with non doctors UK

Say no to doctor substitution with non doctors UK

@Saynotoquackery

Katılım Mart 2024
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atoknowsball🇬🇭🦅
atoknowsball🇬🇭🦅@atoappiahhh·
@Saynotoquackery @1quarmyn_Owoo @kwakukhing_ @Tamalejayz Precisely,if a patient has visited the hospital and tests need to be run and results given, you’re now coming to do back and forth with the doctor over why they requested the test? It lengthens the medical process. I don’t like your wording but you’re right. It’s impractical
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Tamalejayz@Tamalejayz·
In all this I blame lab scientists who don’t enforce things they’re thought in school. A doctor just writes ‘Bf, Widal, H pylori’ on a request form. Nothing else then they also just proceed to run the tests like a zombie Why won’t they disrespect you. You’re acting ‘Robot’ there.
Dr. George@GeorgeAnagli

I have a question, if Korle Bu doctors are now insinuating that results from their lab are not credible because of the personnel there, then how have they been diagnosing patients all these years? Which lab results have they been relying on all this while? Should we be worried about that comment? Big case o.

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10.0.1.367 🌾@Schwarz_Kratos·
Imagine after they give the doctors what they want, and lab scientists go their own strike .
Dr. Banda Khalifa MD, MPH, MBA@dr_bandak

Honestly, I would have preferred a different way of handling this. A strike over laboratory access feels like an overreach, especially in a national referral hospital where any disruption immediately affects patients. But the strike is not the real story. The real story is how we got here. Is this a leadership battle, or a territorial battle? If you believe the laboratory should be reserved only for medical laboratory scientists, that is not consistent with how modern diagnostic systems work. If you also believe the laboratory must be led only by laboratory physicians, that is equally incomplete. Those are the two extremes. A serious health system should be able to find a workable middle ground between them. —- The reason this conflict feels so intense is that the laboratory is the center of modern diagnosis. It determines cancer diagnoses, antimicrobial choices, transfusion safety, and clinical decision-making. That is why leading teaching hospitals treat laboratories as diagnostic systems rather than professional territories. ——- Medical laboratory scientists protect the technical reliability of results. They manage testing systems, sample processing, quality control, method validation, instrumentation, accreditation, and workflow. Their core question is: Is this result accurate and reliable? If a test is technically unreliable at Korle Bu, the mere presence of laboratory physicians will not automatically correct that failure. That is why this debate should not be reduced to a vague claim about “validating results.” —- I have also noticed that a few people don't seem to understand what laboratory medicine is about. Laboratory medicine is a well-established specialty. (The history of infectious diseases is one of my favorite topics) Laboratory physicians bring a different function. They connect laboratory findings to diagnosis, specialist reporting, treatment decisions, and complex patient care. Ghana’s own specialist training pathway recognizes laboratory medicine in anatomic pathology, chemical pathology, hematology, and medical microbiology. Their core question is: What does this result mean for the patient? ——- The term “validation” must be separated into at least two levels. Medical laboratory scientists confirm that the sample is acceptable, the instrument worked, quality control passed, and the result is analytically sound. In other words, “Technical Validation.” Laboratory medicine physicians provide clinical validation for a select # of specialist cases. It is worth noting that not every result needs a laboratory physician's sign-out/validation. Most are released through technical validation and approved procedures/protocols. But some tests are different. For example; A biopsy can diagnose cancer. A bone marrow report can diagnose leukemia. Genomic results can shape major clinical decisions. These sometimes require clinical correlation. In most established systems, this is mostly done by laboratory physicians —- If this dispute is mainly about who leads the laboratory, then a better model would be structured co-leadership. A laboratory physician can lead the clinical domain. A medical laboratory scientist should lead the technical and operational/administrative domain. This is what is done in major hospital labs. Then again, I hope this is not merely about “who heads the lab.” And I will be more disappointed if it's also about “ACCESS” —— Healthcare should be organized for patient outcomes and higher standards of care. We can achieve that only through collaboration. Not competing for professional dominance. —- In Johns Hopkins & other major hospitals, laboratory services sit within departments of pathology and laboratory medicine. They have a medical director (usually a laboratory physician/pathologist) and an administrative director (usually a medical laboratory scientist) ——- But what do you think the real issue is? I would love to hear from both sides

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@mikelyJK @Schwarz_Kratos You forgot that the resident pathologists and pathologists can do lab tests . Even the drs on the ward will remind u that we all did lab postings in medical school and were taught how to do all the basic blood tests . Don’t inflate ur ego. If u go on strike u may not be noticed
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@PreciousOrla @ChimDrag My sisteru are getting it all wrong. What they are doing is still within the scope of pathology. Pathology is part or most of MLS +more . (Just the way Ophthalmology is most or all of optometry + more ) They are training to be seniors that understand everything in the lab/path
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Orla (B.MLS)@PreciousOrla·
@ChimDrag @Saynotoquackery See how you're proving me right. You now see that you people are then ones encroaching into other professionals' jurisdiction while we mind our own business.
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Orla (B.MLS)@PreciousOrla·
"Y'all want to be doctors so bad" But na Una dey fight to do call for lab in some institutions. You don see scientist for theatre before?🌚 We just dey mind our business jeje🥹🥹💚💚.
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Orla (B.MLS)@PreciousOrla·
@drmedinho @Saynotoquackery You're toooo insignificant for me to come online and lie about my own experience Silly. Let's even for a second accept they're residents who are STILL in training like you said, so it's okay for them to do calls run patient samples and give results w/o supervision from an MLS?
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Polymath@0xPolymath_I·
@dr_bandak The lab. Physicians should prepare to do urine R/E and everything else because the lab. Scientists will leave it for them since they want to work in the lab.
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Dr. Banda Khalifa MD, MPH, MBA
Good news. The strike has been suspended, and that is the right outcome. We should all be able to coexist as colleagues. At the end of the day, many of us sat in the same classrooms. Same biology class. Same ambitions. Different paths. Today, I even saw one of my biological science classmates, now a principal medical laboratory scientist, making strong arguments. That is how it should be. 😅 We are not enemies. We are one health workforce. Doctors, pharmacists, medical laboratory scientists, nurses. Different roles. Same mission. The real issue should never be about personalities. It should be about roles. No system works when one excludes the other. And no system should ever reach a point where patient care is disrupted because roles are not clearly defined. Always remember that healthcare is organized for patient outcomes.
Dr. Banda Khalifa MD, MPH, MBA tweet media
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Tamalejayz@Tamalejayz·
@Saynotoquackery @1quarmyn_Owoo @kwakukhing_ this is why the doctors details must be on a REQUEST form, you can call to enquire why a test is requested. Then further go ahead to recommend a further test based on diagnosis, history or results. THANK YOU
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@Tamalejayz Exactly!! My fellow MLS don’t conduct any tests without diagnoses from the physician.. The disrespect has to stop!!!
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Dr. George@GeorgeAnagli·
I have a question, if Korle Bu doctors are now insinuating that results from their lab are not credible because of the personnel there, then how have they been diagnosing patients all these years? Which lab results have they been relying on all this while? Should we be worried about that comment? Big case o.
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Orla (B.MLS)@PreciousOrla·
@Saynotoquackery They literally do calls in the lab, last week of the month I kept asking why and till I left the answer I got was 'that's how it is done here', so I stopped asking, reason I brought it online, and I found out there were other hospitals that do the same.
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@PreciousOrla Or are they medical students that are currently doing pathology. They do lab postings to get practical knowledge of the lab tests , how they are done and etc. Definitely not to work there . Do they want to be consulting the reagents in the lab ?😁
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Orla (B.MLS)@PreciousOrla·
@Saynotoquackery Now this is how the conversation should have gone innit? Why did you have to start with insults 🫠? Cos that's exactly the question I asked March last year, both the doctors and my senior colleagues and I didn't get any reasonable answer
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@PreciousOrla I am not a lab physician( pathologist ie - haematologist, histo pathologists, microbiologist,etc ) and I wouldn’t want to be in the lab because I will be useless there. 😁 Wondering what those drs want to do there if they are not pathologists or residents. . Just curious Adanne.
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Orla (B.MLS)@PreciousOrla·
@Saynotoquackery I've not for once argued this if you noticed But then again, that was not what happened that led to me asking that question. These people were not laboratory physicians as you call them
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Orla (B.MLS)@PreciousOrla·
@Saynotoquackery That's the problem over inflated ego. You have no idea, no single idea of my experience but because you're a consultant(which I don't believe), You could have calmed down to ask proper questions cos you're soooo wrong yet soooo loud.
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@PreciousOrla If a Medical consultant is not grounded please tell me who is . By the way , the doctors you talked abt are probably residents training in pathology . They need to know everything including being able to run the tests.
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Orla (B.MLS)@PreciousOrla·
@Saynotoquackery The hospital where I did my internship, doctors were in fact 'sharing urine and feces' that MLS work on. Again who mentioned pathologists? Are you a student? Cos you don't seem to be grounded enough for this conversation.
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Orla (B.MLS)@PreciousOrla·
@Saynotoquackery Are you usually this dumb? Cos if you were smart you'll know that it is not a competition. We serve at different capacities in our different jurisdictions. My major concern is the patient and not your dumb ass
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Emmanuel Samani
Emmanuel Samani@_iamsamani·
I just watched this interview of a Korle Bu doctor explaining the strike and I’m honestly angry. Saying lab professionals “don’t have the training to correlate results with clinical findings” is simply false. Clinical correlation is part of our training. It’s exactly why we ask for DIAGNOSIS on request forms. You cannot send incomplete forms with no diagnosis, then turn around and say labs can’t correlate results. ALSO, The claim that labs have been producing “nonsensical” results for 10–15 years is not just inaccurate, it’s reckless. If that were true, we would have system-wide clinical failure, no routine care still functioning across the country. Lab medicine is not guesswork. It’s a regulated discipline built on SOPs, internal QC, EQA schemes, validation protocols and trained professionals who understand both the analytics and the clinical context. And since we’re talking about “why tests are repeated” and “why revenue drops,” let’s not pretend there aren’t other drivers. There are well-known practices where requests are redirected to private labs so that you the prescribers get a commission and we know it all too well and that has to be part of the conversation too. If there are specific cases of poor quality, present the data, audit it, fix it. But blanket statements about incompetence???? After training for 6 plus years I beg to differ! We all want patient safety. That requires accurate testing, proper clinical information and honest collaboration. Not selective narratives that place blame on one group while ignoring the full picture.
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