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@infiniteflare Yeah scratchers were around 2 years going at that point

@ShadowCero Thinking about it, didn't we have scratchers for anni the same year as summer lotto?

bro I swear GBF players are some of the ungrateful people ever Be happy we get roulette and the scratchers Much less get a sunstone this go around Would you rather we have lesser anni rewards like other gacha games give their players?

@ShaKing807 And the 2nd sentence is two parts with the post comma section being redundant. I love Umineko, read the whole thing and there are worse examples but you're misunderstanding my issue with the 2nd sentence to be the whole sentence shouldn't exist.

@ShadowCero I'm not redundantly explaining my point again over a second sentence in the original clip that gives more detail and focus to the first sentence. If that type of writing bothers you then Umineko is not for you which is my original point.

Anyone unironically agreeing this is a good example of necessary Ryukishi editing is genuinely not built for his works and the overall message of Umineko

@ShaKing807 Again, how is “even if he didn’t say it out loud” reading further into it? That's objectively not going further in, it's reiterating the same level. Please justify this part. What is lost by removing this part explicitly?

@ShadowCero Because she's reading further into his expression than necessary that she is interpreting that he dislikes a part of her that already makes her feel like an outsider and contributes to her unbalanced and troubled emotional state in very a tense, high stakes conversation

@ShaKing807 How does the “even if he didn’t say it out loud” deepen the portrayal of Natsuhi's spiral in this paragraph? It's just restating what and expression is without illustrating anymore more of what Natsuhi is noticing or internalizing.

@ShadowCero Not in this case when the intention is to emphasis a character's the spiraling emotionals so there's synergy between the prose reiterating the elements the character themselves are honing in on with only a few words.

@JREHaliburt @infiniteflare Summer lotto was after scratchers were introduced.

@infiniteflare If by lottery you mean the predecessor to scratchers aka the lottery with half the prizes that were Japan only then yeah, that was even worse

@ShaKing807 @bondofice I think taking it into the greater scene, the clip is more justified cause with the scene's context you already implicitly understand the 2nd sentence's explanation.

@ShadowCero @bondofice It's also clear when you take a 2 second clip into the greater context of the whole scene and the episode as a whole so I'm not gonna spoil it by going into further details

@MeruToto__ And when you're debating prose dissection of the sentences is what's necessary. The sentence already said it "His expression effectively communicated". Unless the writes needs to now define what an expression is for the audience we know it's visible just from the first part.

@ShadowCero Yeah, because not everyone is going to be bothered enough to disect it into such parts to begin with.

You ever wonder how some people just don't read books at all and have this weird overly pragmatic look at the things that any nuance is wasted on them because they want to speedrun through everything in their life until their eventual demise?

@ShaKing807 @bondofice An expression already tells you that. The paragraph mentions his non-verbal expression twice. What does "even if he didn't say it out loud..." accomplish? It's already had repetition with the first two times. It's just saying the same thing again redundantly.

@ShadowCero @bondofice Given this is part of an extremely heated convo amongst siblings for their inheritance in which they're both reading each others body language and vocalizing thoughts and it's all being conveyed over text and not shown visibly the distinction is necessary

@MeruToto__ The paragraph goes over the expression 3 times "even if he didn't say it out loud" is a complete redundancy after bringing up the expression and explaining it.

@ShadowCero The quoted tweet you presented literally has someone trying to elaborate on it, am I missing something or what.

@ShaKing807 @bondofice I can understand the first part of the 2nd sentence but "even if he didn't say it outl oud..." is so redundant. It's already talked about his expression twice and then did it a third time right at the end for no need.

@bondofice So it provides more information in detail and it contributes to an overarching experience for the episode and character dynamics and the POV character that's very important collectively which you wouldn't have with just "He grimaced"

@MeruToto__ It's an actual criticism of that paragraph. It has 3 parts and while people are debating the whether the 2nd part enriches your understanding of the scene no one has actually put a defense for the 3rd part.

@ShadowCero And as far as post goes, op didn't present their opinion anyway, but a meme to dunk on the situation with someone else, apparently popular I wouldn't know because I had no possible context to ever reach said person, as a proxy, so what are we trying to argue about.

@MeruToto__ This entire thread you have not used what was presented to show how it enriches the work as a rebuttal. You are just saying any critique is bad because it's a person's opinion and you can have your own. No justification just denial of discussion and the topic.

@ShadowCero How does it deny anything if said technical art reaches people who look for such technicalities in the first place?

@MeruToto__ Yeah and by doing so you're also denying every technical aspect that goes into making art.

@ShadowCero Anti-art is when everything is art and putting arbitrarily decided social constructs on what is worth to exists and be above something else when the main point of art is enrichment sure is a go to.

@MeruToto__ This argument isn't about the emotional quality of Umineko or any work, prose is a craft and bad prose can take you out of a work.

@MeruToto__ Your stance is basically anti-art. Any discussion and critique of any work is impossible with this stance.

@MeruToto__ Idek what you're arguing. Purple prose is bad, too simple prose is bad. I've read fanfiction with prose better than published works. More eloquent and fitting for what the individual story tries to achieve.

@ShadowCero I mean, I could say "expecting anything beyond bare minimum is silly", if that makes you feel better.

@MeruToto__ "high end flowery prose" and it's repetition to a comical degree. x.com/Psyralov/statu…

@ShadowCero Wouldn't be surprising, these things have a different demographic which is more geared towards simplicity with more focus on concept of the story or whatever else. Expecting some high end flowery prose is kind of silly in this case, with couple of exceptions, as always of course.