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A previously unpublished letter from reporter George Knapp to Stanton Friedman contains new details about early claims Bob Lazar had made to Knapp regarding his education. The letter was written in August 1989, just under three months before Knapp first identified Lazar publicly in his Las Vegas TV series UFOs: The Best Evidence. In the letter, Knapp states that Lazar told him "he graduated from high school, somewhere in Southern California, at age 15." During a pre-sentence investigation related to his conviction for Pandering, the Nevada Department of Parole and Probation verified that Lazar graduated from from W. Tresper Clarke High School in Westbury, New York at the age of 17. "The defendant was able to supply this department with a high-school graduation certificate dated August 30, 1976 from W. Tresper Clark High School, East Meadow School District #3, Westbury, New York." Friedman later independently confirmed this. In the August 1989 letter to Friedman, Knapp also describes what Lazar had told him about his college education: "[Lazar] attended two other colleges prior to MIT -- Pierce College and U.C. Northridge." The letter makes no mention of Caltech, where Lazar would later claim to have earned a Master of Science in Electronic Technology in 1985. That claim appears, among other places, in Lazar's 1990 statements to the Nevada Department of Parole and Probation, which recorded that Lazar claimed to hold a Masters of Science in Physics from MIT in Cambridge, Massachusetts, awarded in 1982 - before receiving a second Masters degree from Caltech in 1985 (rather than attending Caltech first and then MIT, as he has claimed in the majority of interviews since 1989). The letter is published for the first time below.

Case documents: drive.google.com/drive/folders/…

David Grusch's FOIA lawsuit against the Department of Defense has its first joint status report. Grusch's FOIA request seeks records submitted to the Office of the Senior Intelligence Oversight Official between April 1, 2023 and December 31, 2023 concerning unauthorized disclosure complaints related to Grusch, as well as unauthorized disclosure complaints containing the terms “unidentified aerial phenomenon,” “unidentified anomalous phenomenon,” and/or the acronyms “UAP” or “UFO.” On April 7, the parties jointly moved for a 90-day stay to give the DoD additional time to finish processing the request. The court granted the stay the same day and ordered the parties to file status reports every 30 days. At the time the 90 day stay was requested, DoD had apparently located 30-40 potentially responsive pages on unclassified systems. The DoD has now completed its search of its classified systems and says it found no records responsive to Grusch's request on those systems. Regarding the 30-40 pages that were previously located on the DoD's unclassified servers, they have now determined 39 pages to be responsive. Those pages are undergoing “final coordination and review”, and the DoD anticipates releasing some or all of the 39 pages within the next few weeks. The next status report is due June 8, 2026. Case documents are in the post below.

In the new Chris Ramsay interview with Bob Lazar, Bob suggests that Dennis John Mariani (born in 1940) is the man he worked with at S4. While Dennis John Mariani's gravestone is shown on screen, Bob says: "It looked like Dennis Mariani died... I had pictures of a gravestone and, you know, people seem to - this guy, it connects all the dots. This looks like it was the guy." I published an article about this Dennis Mariani last month, and it is highly implausible that he worked at a classified facility in Nevada at the time of Bob's story. He was a longtime pool salesman who was living in Texas in 1989, and had been convicted of a felony in 1987. He would go on to be convicted of another crime in 2002. Link to the full article is in the post below.

@_NTME9_ @chrisramsay52 I was unable to reach her after a number of attempts. It is highly implausible that Dennis Mariani worked at a classified facility in Nevada. x.com/signalsinteluf…

@chrisramsay52 Dude what about Aneta June Stelding, which supposedly is Dennis Mariani's wife.. she's 85 right now, has anyone that you know I've tried it in contact with her?

Bob Lazar just dropped a NEW name. CHUCK PAYNE

Link to full article about Dennis John Mariani: @signalsintelligence/the-real-life-of-dennis-john-mariani-c7421e9a7bb9?postPublishedType=repub" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">medium.com/@signalsintell…

It is highly implausible that Dennis John Mariani, the person whose gravestone is shown in the clip, worked at S4. He was a long time pool salesman who lived in Texas at the time of Bob's story and had been convicted of a felony in 1987. Full article on him: @signalsintelligence/the-real-life-of-dennis-john-mariani-c7421e9a7bb9" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">medium.com/@signalsintell…

@fixnkev @UAPDr This is correct, it's from 2012. kdvr.com/news/problem-s… reddit.com/r/Denver/comme… rockymountainparanormal.com/foxufo/

A #UFO report changes when the news crew sent to investigate films it too. A witness kept filming strange objects near Federal Heights. So #CNN affiliate KDVR sent a cameraman. He filmed the same thing. The footage is real, but what is it??

@UAPFilesPodcast I had missed your question until now. You may have already heard or found the answer. The source is that Google Drive file, which is from the original photographer's (Gabriel Zeifman) Google Drive account.

@SignalsIntelUFO What’s the source location of this image please? Thanks.

The evidence Luigi Venditelli describes in the clip below as being "indisputible" and "100% proves something that Bob Lazar said in 1989" appears to be this photo taken by Gabriel Zeifman from an aircraft approximately 17 miles away from Papoose Lake. In the documentary, Venditelli says that "all you have to do is play with the contrast, play with the levels in the image. And if you look carefully in this version here where the contrast has been changed, that as we zoom, look what we see... You see them [the S4 hangars] clearly right there."

@EmileKinleyg We all need to be pushed at times! I appreciate you being open to engaging on this.

You're right, that should be clarified. The stronger point is not that Lazar’s knowledge of Area 51/JANET was special or exclusive (I accept that it wasn’t) but that parts of the broader setting moved from rumor/unofficial knowledge into formal acknowledgment. I’ve submitted a few proposed edits to Skeptic so the piece doesn’t imply novelty or special access where it shouldn’t. Appreciate the push, truly.

Just published in Skeptic: The Strange Case of Bob Lazar — Fabulist or sincere but mistaken? I kept coming back to the “I believe he believes it” position. It sounds reasonable, but the more I looked at it, the less it seemed to actually explain anything. skeptic.com/article/the-st…

Great, I am glad we agree on that, and I assume you will make that correction. Beyond the strictest construction of what constitutes a factual inaccuracy, would you agree that it is misleading to suggest to readers that Bob's knowledge of Area 51 and the Janet flights are both evidence of having special knowledge when, in fact, Lazar himself admits that it wasn't special knowledge (and thus has no relevance one way or the other)? "But it also proves more than skeptics used to allow. A fabulist could have been lucky once. He is harder to dismiss as a mere fabulist when elements of the practical architecture around his story keeps turning out to be real." He was neither lucky, nor did he have special knowledge. He had the same knowledge that many Las Vegas residents had.

@SignalsIntelUFO Of course, if something is factually incorrect, it should be corrected. In this case, I think we’re dealing with a question of framing rather than a discrete factual error. “not part of the discourse at all” was indeed too strong. Beyond that, I don’t see a need for correction.

@EmileKinleyg In general, do you agree that factually incorrect statements made in an article should be corrected?

I think this narrows the issue rather than resolves it. Again, the point I was making is about corroboration of underlying structures, not the mere availability of ideas. Take the recent statements from Jim Clapper about Area 51 in Age of Disclosure, for instance. If Lazar was just gambling on these kinds of wildly speculative UAP-related claims eventually being acknowledged at that level, that’s one hell of a bet. The fact Lazar knew about Area 51 and some aspects of access prior to his claims weakens a stronger “novelty” framing. But invoking these elements doesn’t fully collapse the explanatory burden. The model becomes one of assembling prior narratives into a relatively constrained, stable account over time. That may be what happened. What I’m saying is this version of the fabulist explanation is less straightforward than it’s often presented, not that it can’t be true.

The existence of Area 51 was not meaningfully in question. The "logistics of access" were also not meaningfully in question (though were not the subject of dozens of articles in the years prior to Lazar's claims). "A fabulist could have been lucky once. He is harder to dismiss as a mere fabulist when elements of the practical architecture around his story keeps turning out to be real." By Lazar's own admission he already knew about both pieces of information that are the basis for the above statement prior to his claimed work on the program. "Whatever one ultimately makes of Lazar’s account, it did not emerge as a straightforward amplification of existing narratives." This is a statement of fact. The reality is that there is very good reason to believe Lazar was aware of the narratives you included and it is indeed possible he was amplifying them. Wouldn't you agree that all of this warrants correction of the article which in its current state is misleading to readers?

This is helpful, and in light of your feedback I’ll concede that “not part of the discourse at all” was overstated. Those elements were circulating in a limited way, and Lazar may have been exposed to some of them. The distinction I was trying to draw is between ideas being in circulation and underlying structures being later corroborated/verified. The existence of the site, the scale of secrecy, and the logistics of access moved from being discussed or rumored to being officially confirmed in the years after Lazar’s story came out. Separately, some elements that were more peripheral at the time, like the prominence of Navy-linked UAP reporting, have become central in later discourse (see UAP Gerb’s work for instance). So the corroboration around now-verified facts + the convergence in modern-day discourse make the overall picture less obviously reducible to prior lore.

I appreciate the reply, and thank you! Reading the first section of your article, it seems to have three main points (putting aside Lazar's role at Los Alamos National Laboratory and his educational claims). 1) The existence of Area 51. 2) The Janet flights. 3) The claim that crash retrievals were fringe and "The involvement of the U.S. Navy in such matters was not part of the discourse at all." I addressed point 1 and 2 in the previous reply. Regarding point 3: There were previous intact crash retrieval stories (Frank Scully/Aztec, Kingman), but more importantly, John Lear had spoken about intact craft being tested at Area 51 in the year before Lazar claimed to have gotten the job. bibliotecapleyades.net/bb/lear.htm "Within the Aquarius program was project "Snowbird", a project to test-fly a recovered alien aircraft at Groom Lake, Nevada. This project continues today at that location." A later August 1988 revision of the statement added another claimed instance of an intact craft being taken there. Additionally, "UFO Cover-up?: Live!", a TV program which aired October 14 1988, which Lazar watched and thought important enough to mark on his personal calendar, included claims of intact craft piloted by military pilots and an operational base at Area 51. youtu.be/sA5GpKcJ3zc?t=… Regarding Navy involvement: "UFO Cover-up?: Live!" also included claims of the Navy involvement. "The MJ-12 policy is headquartered at the Naval Observatory in Washington DC. The United States Navy has the primary operational responsibilities of field activities relating to the MJ-12 policies. All information gathered in the field, not necessarily by Navy personnel, is transmitted to the Navy for analysis." youtu.be/sA5GpKcJ3zc?t=… It also included the attached chart, identifying the Office of Naval Intelligence as one of the organizations involved. What do you make of all of these facts?

Hey! Recently became familiar with your work, which I found quite impressive. My point was that skeptics tended to dismiss the broader narrative as implausible or exaggerated, not necessarily the literal existence of a base. I meant that Area 51 sat in that ambiguous space between rumor and acknowledgment, which made it easier to treat claims built around it as overreach. That said, fair point. It could have been expressed more clearly. Appreciate the feedback.

@MonkeeSage @LuisECayetano83 Not just to me, he told the same thing to @JackFrostvc

@LuisECayetano83 Wow, that article really badly researched. Terry England, the author of the 1982 Los Alamos Monitor article cited, has gone on record to @SignalsIntelUFO explicitly saying he just took Lazar's claims about his titles at face value and didn't verify them. @signalsintelligence/bob-lazar-theres-more-to-the-story-17829c2ff650" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">medium.com/@signalsintell…

1) Jesus Christ, what a naive & ignorant piece in Skeptic magazine: skeptic.com/article/the-st…

@dave_beaty @ddeanjohnson @g_knapp It is indeed teleprompter paper, as I noted here on reddit a couple of days ago: reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/sKWVy…

Just so you know that “letter” looks to be a copy of teleprompter TV news script. Back in the 80s we had typewriters with all caps typeface for typing onto carbon copy paper that was fed into a manual teleprompter. The prompter has a camera that shoots down at the paper as it scrolls past. Read on camera through the prompter

New from @SignalsIntelUFO: Proof that Bob Lazar lied to @g_knapp in 1989, claiming to have graduated from high school in Calif. at age 15 (in 1974). Actual graduation in NY, Aug 1976, age 17. Why this lie? Likely to fit Lazar false claims to have earned 3 college degrees by 1985.

A previously unpublished letter from reporter George Knapp to Stanton Friedman contains new details about early claims Bob Lazar had made to Knapp regarding his education. The letter was written in August 1989, just under three months before Knapp first identified Lazar publicly in his Las Vegas TV series UFOs: The Best Evidence. In the letter, Knapp states that Lazar told him "he graduated from high school, somewhere in Southern California, at age 15." During a pre-sentence investigation related to his conviction for Pandering, the Nevada Department of Parole and Probation verified that Lazar graduated from from W. Tresper Clarke High School in Westbury, New York at the age of 17. "The defendant was able to supply this department with a high-school graduation certificate dated August 30, 1976 from W. Tresper Clark High School, East Meadow School District #3, Westbury, New York." Friedman later independently confirmed this. In the August 1989 letter to Friedman, Knapp also describes what Lazar had told him about his college education: "[Lazar] attended two other colleges prior to MIT -- Pierce College and U.C. Northridge." The letter makes no mention of Caltech, where Lazar would later claim to have earned a Master of Science in Electronic Technology in 1985. That claim appears, among other places, in Lazar's 1990 statements to the Nevada Department of Parole and Probation, which recorded that Lazar claimed to hold a Masters of Science in Physics from MIT in Cambridge, Massachusetts, awarded in 1982 - before receiving a second Masters degree from Caltech in 1985 (rather than attending Caltech first and then MIT, as he has claimed in the majority of interviews since 1989). The letter is published for the first time below.

Yes, there is no record or copy of the certificate. I do not have the source on hand, but I believe at one point George Knapp stated that he had gotten a signed authorization from Lazar to obtain his transcript from the school. Whether he ultimately followed through on that is not known.

@SignalsIntelUFO Do you know if anyone ever tried to FOIA that document from the records of his court case?

@dave_beaty We do not, Lazar has never shared the high school graduate certificate or his transcript publicly.

@SignalsIntelUFO Do we have the high school transcript that was "supplied" ?