@corvette1710 does it matter if a huge portion of voters cares if he just turns the army he commands (as the constitution vests in him) onto dissenters. call me a doomer but these arent even things we should have to consider!
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SimpleSCOTUS is yearning for democracy
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Times That Try Our Souls
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@SimpleSCOTUS Sure. I agree Trump is going to try some shit in November for the midterms, but I think a huge portion of voters (and courts) in this country are going to slap him down for it, and the blue wave is going to be a tsunami.
But I don't mind to check back in after.
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@nomansl50796476 thank god we aren’t the only country in the world and have eyes at how other democracies function
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@SimpleSCOTUS There is a reason why states are called the “laboratories of democracy”, it is so we can test new ideas without cramming them down on the entire country with no experience of our own. In other words, try going at the state level first.
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These are the consequences of the “democratic” norms America operates under.
Until we remove money from politics, ban FPTP voting, abolish the Senate, and move toward a proportional multi-party system, such inadequate representations of public sentiment will continue.
Sunrise Movement 🌅@sunrisemvmt
These are winnable elections.
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@warbird__actual lol it’s mostly about how stupid FPTP is regardless of the winner. couldnt care less about Kat rn.
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Leftists going “billions must die” talking about a progressive that lost to another progressive in a primary because a third progressive “stole her votes” lol
SimpleSCOTUS is yearning for democracy@SimpleSCOTUS
These are the consequences of the “democratic” norms America operates under. Until we remove money from politics, ban FPTP voting, abolish the Senate, and move toward a proportional multi-party system, such inadequate representations of public sentiment will continue.
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@corvette1710 ‘to start with’ is to set out a goal that is inadequate. many things need to be changed at once, and our structure will not allow amendments to happen quickly or substantially. we will see the extent of trump’s undemocratic nature in november, then we can circle back to this.
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@SimpleSCOTUS No one (here) is trying to take away your right to discuss the topic. Our disagreement is reform vs total replacement. Our policy goals are similar. We are just trying to bridge on the tactical level.
Do you just want a unicameral, better-apportioned legislature, to start with?
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@corvette1710 A crashout is when the left-wing Supreme Court account notes the Constitution's flaws and how inherently anti-democratic it is. The Constitution's need to survive in its current form is what's unnecessary. Thankfully, the people have the right to discuss these topics!
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@SimpleSCOTUS I agree that the 17th Amendment was democratizing, but it's not like it was totally undemocratic before. State legislatures were/are still elected, and made those appointments at the behest of their constituents.
This just feels like a doomer crashout that isn't necessary rn
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@corvette1710 Quite famously, the Civil Rights Act was filibustered by Southern racists, and they had to modify it to reduce regulation on private businesses! Enough of gradual liberalization.
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@SimpleSCOTUS You know that isn't the same as what I said. The Senate didn't kneecap the Civil Rights Act or the Voting Rights Act in the 1960s or the 13th-15th Amendments in the 1860s (until later, when Reconstruction was ended, but even then, they became powerful tools of liberalization).
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@corvette1710 The Cons. is implicated by its origins. It imitates the English Cons., replacing a King with a Pres. It wasn't until the 20th cen that the upper house was democratic at all! What was the revolution for if we replaced one aristocracy with another? The consequences are in our face!
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@SimpleSCOTUS I don't know why the existence of crises implicates the Constitution in those crises, to you. I think most of them would've happened similarly, or worse, without it. The country has been on a good path, for the most part, and a more liberalizing and democratizing path, since.
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@corvette1710 just say abolish the senate lmfao
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@SimpleSCOTUS Structurally the legislature can be reformed within the Constitution to provide fewer advantages to rural areas, is what I'm saying. Abolishing the filibuster for legislation is one of those areas.
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@corvette1710 ‘we’ve always been in crisis’ is a great response in this time. saying that and not believing there might be something FUNDAMENTALLY broken in the constitutional structure is funny.
balkanization is the good scenario of an authoritarian regime seizing control of this country.
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@SimpleSCOTUS There hasn't been a time the country wasn't in some crisis, and our Constitution was itself resultant of a crisis (the debtor crisis of the 1780s).
Some proposals I support require amendments, but that's different from total replacement.
Balkanization is just doomerism imo
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our founders being landed elite slave-owners who never labored for anything and sat on their ass thinking about ways to consolidate their own class’ power.
shocking: a fair democracy with universal suffrage scares the wealthy ruling class!
read thomas paine and go from there
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@Colon_David @123workerbee We are a Constitutional Republic. Our founders warned us about Democrats “democracy”
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@corvette1710 i mean, ok? the legislature structurally sucks and didnt represent american will for universal coverage and still doesn’t. multiple that across every issue.
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@SimpleSCOTUS He couldn't make that happen in 2010 because the legislature wasn't on his side on that policy. It took utterly unprecedented Republican obstruction during Obama's second term for Harry Reid and the Dems to go nuclear on appointments in 2013.
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@corvette1710 those reforms would either need to be an extensive amendment or done through each individual state.
entire amendments need to be removed and multiple new ones need to be added. it is my belief that our current crisis will spiral until a new convention or balkanization occurs.
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@SimpleSCOTUS Reforms are what we're agreeing on, though. Replacement is what we're disagreeing on.
I also want reforms, like NPV and ranked-choice voting, that make this country more democratic. Please, don't take my disagreement with replacing the Constitution any broader than it is.
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@corvette1710 i think making constitutional reform an actual conversation and pushing forth reforms to the very system of voting we possess is worthwhile, actually. nothing lost in talking about what we are supposedly sovereign over.
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@SimpleSCOTUS This is a pithy thing to say but I don't think you're really saying much when you say, "Let's replace the Constitution." To me it reads like a communist calling for proletarian revolution in that it's just an expression of disaffection, not a real political prescription.
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@corvette1710 great so glad he supports it 16 years after he had the power to actually do something. on a fundamental first principle basis, any body that gives the same representation to wyoming as california is absurd and irredeemable.
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@SimpleSCOTUS Recently, in his interview with Brian Tyler Cohen, Barack Obama supported abolishing the filibuster for legislation, so all that is necessary is a bare Senate majority. That would never have happened in 2010. The first time Democrats get a trifecta, we can hit the ground running.
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feeling simplescotus nostalgia let me open canva up
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@2aQueer things will have to happen first lol
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@SimpleSCOTUS Unfortunately we can't have a constitutional convention, because if we did, the first thing would be to overturn Lawrence v. Texas and Texas v. Johnson by amendment.
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The tyranny of the founders from the grave, and the way their Constitution is deified in American civic religion, is so detrimental to our country.
It’s okay and actually necessary for the present generation of people to determine how they want their government structured.
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@corvette1710 it’s simply just a yes and conversation. idk how you’re not convinced by our past and from witnessing current atrocities that the whole thing has to be redone.
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@SimpleSCOTUS But the dysfunction you're talking about is tied to voters feeling unrepresented and then electing ineffective demagogues. Because their incentive is to continue capitalizing on dysfunction, those demagogues flail in the legislature. That's, in part, solved by an uncapped House.
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@corvette1710 it took ONE senator to kill the public option, it had 59 votes! saying this as a demsoc is kind of crazy.
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@SimpleSCOTUS At the time of the passage of the ACA, polarization was not as total as it is now. There was a lot of policy crossover between Democrats and Republicans, so the Senate included conservative Democrats who wouldn't pass a public option. Now, the same numbers could produce M4A, etc.
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@corvette1710 it doesn’t make sense if the current power of the senate is maintained. the house has been in dem control under a dem president and dem senate and it still kneecapped legislation. confused at why you’re open to expansion of the house but not to just take it another step lol
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@SimpleSCOTUS I mean to be clear the whole purpose behind uncapping the House is to put through other reforms, so that was never the only one. I do think that's one of the more significant barriers to outputting other reforms, though, which is why I brought it up.
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