
Slowburnt
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@PowersDecoded @LexDiamonds__ I said: "No data supports that the more 'feminine' a boy appears, the more stupid and unruly he's treated - its the opposite."
By the "the opposite," I meant that the more MASCULINE a boy appears, the more stupid and unruly treated.
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@Slowburnt2 @LexDiamonds__ Again, goalpost moving. Your claim started as femininity reduces penalties or signals less disruption. You’ve now shifted to masculinity increases scrutiny. That’s not the same argument, and it doesn’t contradict the mechanism I described:
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@PowersDecoded @LexDiamonds__ Yeah that's a statement you made up yourself.
Feel free to quote me saying that femininity reduces harassment.
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@Slowburnt2 @LexDiamonds__ Great, got it… but that’s a different claim. Saying gender perceptions affect performance doesn’t magically show femininity reduces harassment or discipline, the evidence (for the 50th time) points the other way.
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@PowersDecoded @LexDiamonds__ Your point has no specificity
"Femininity increases 'harassment', 'negativity.'
Of course the data supports this, but it also supports the same for masculinity - the question is what MANNER of harassment and negativity is being increase, and what is PRECISELY the impact
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@Slowburnt2 @LexDiamonds__ racialized threat and gender-norm policing still explain why boys perceived as feminine face more harassment and negative attention. Keep shifting the claim, but the data on observable outcomes still backs my point, not yours. It was nice chatting with you though.
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@PowersDecoded @LexDiamonds__ If black-masculine stereotypes are impacting how teachers interact with black boys (i.e. disruptive, brutish, simple-minded), then it makes sense that masculine-conforming boys would be subject to a particular form of discrimination bias in school.
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@PowersDecoded @LexDiamonds__ That was NEVER my claim - my claim was about masculinity from the very beginning.
"femininity reduces penalties or signals less disruption" was an inference that YOU made and continued to run with.
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@PowersDecoded @LexDiamonds__ Again, you aren't specifying the type of negative attention that femininity compounds, or its degree of correlation with academic performance.
The literature does not show that femininity, more than masculinity, imposes negative attention associated with presumed disruptiveness
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@Slowburnt2 @LexDiamonds__ you describe actually reduce disciplinary actions or improve outcomes, because the literature I know shows the opposite: these experiences tend to compound negative attention and risk, not mitigate it.
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@PowersDecoded @LexDiamonds__ We know that perceived 'problem children' are graded more harshly.
We know that black male stereotypes contain certain criteria.
A black girl fits those criteria less than a queer boy, and a queer boy fits those criteria less than a masculine boy.
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@PowersDecoded @LexDiamonds__ I'm not linking femininity to lower penalties so much as I'm linking masculinity to a particular form of scrutiny.
We know that black male stereotypes include being disruptive.
We know that black boys are perceived by teachers as more disruptive.
(cont.)
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@PowersDecoded @LexDiamonds__ That's fine because I'm not limiting my scope to academic performance as it relates to threat response, discipline or harassment.
I'm talking about how gender perceptions impact academic performance.
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@Slowburnt2 @LexDiamonds__ Showing that students perceive Black boys as academically incapable doesn’t contradict (or validate) the effect of racialized threat and gender norm policing on discipline and harassment. They’re related topics, but not the same research question. Are you okay?
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@PowersDecoded @LexDiamonds__ This conversation is about how perception of boys/masculinity projects stereotypes which impact academic performance and, ultimately, structural outcomes
It was never just about teacher behaviors
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@Slowburnt2 @LexDiamonds__ That study measures students’ perceptions of academic ability, not how teachers discipline or surveil boys perceived as feminine. My mechanism is about teacher behavior and structural outcomes, not peer stereotypes about competence.
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@PowersDecoded @LexDiamonds__ You're aggregating experiences to obscure nuance.
Femininity often increases *what kind* of harassment? *What kind* of negativity?
And does this kind of negativity correlate with low academic performance? If so, to what degree? How does it measure to low academic expectations?
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@Slowburnt2 @LexDiamonds__ (2/2) racialized threat and gender-norm policing. If you’re claiming femininity lowers academic penalties or signals less disruption, please provide data, because AGAIN, the evidence shows the opposite: femininity often increases harassment and negativity, not decreases it.
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@PowersDecoded @LexDiamonds__ ???
This directly relates to behavioral expectations in schools, particularly the expectations of the students themselves - this is highly relevant to the discussion.
It shows that gender stereotypes differ by race, and that black boys are perceived as academically incapable
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@Slowburnt2 @LexDiamonds__ That paper is about students’ stereotypes regarding academic competence by gender. The claim under discussion is about discipline, surveillance, and behavioral expectations in schools. Those are entirely different variables.
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@PowersDecoded @LexDiamonds__ Once again, the harassment that 'feminine' boys receive doesn't necessarily correlate with low academic performance - harsh discipline, on the other hand, is highly correlative.
And "the literature" identities far more than two mechanisms at play.
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@Slowburnt2 @LexDiamonds__ That’s an assertion, not evidence. The literature identifies two mechanisms: racialized threat stereotypes affecting discipline for Black boys, and gender-norm policing that increases harassment for boys perceived as feminine.
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@PowersDecoded @LexDiamonds__ ..."Black youth (with scores averaged across grades) and 10th graders (with scores averaged across race) reported that girls were more competent than boys in science. In contrast, girls and boys were viewed as equally competent in science by White adolescents."
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@PowersDecoded @LexDiamonds__ "Black and White adolescents of both genders showed strong endorsement of stereotypes favoring girls in verbal domains. Traditional stereotypes favoring boys in math were endorsed by White adolescents but not Black adolescents and increased across time." (cont.)
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@PowersDecoded @LexDiamonds__ *the more 'feminine' a black boy appears
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@PowersDecoded @LexDiamonds__ I know - what I'm saying is that low expectations and harsher discipline are leveled at black boys the more they seem to align with certain masculine stereotypes.
No data supports that the more 'feminine' a boy appears, the more stupid and unruly he's treated - its the opposite.
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@PowersDecoded @LexDiamonds__ The racialized threat perception is gendered.
The more 'male' a black boy/man seems, the higher the threat perception. We also observe this in the treatment of transwomen who don't 'pass' vs those who do.
Masculinity is rewarded in some contexts, yet punished in others.

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@Slowburnt2 @LexDiamonds__ You’re mixing two different things. ‘Brutish thug’ stereotypes are about racialized threat perception, not a stigma against masculinity itself. Masculinity is still rewarded and enforced, while boys who deviate from it face the highest bullying and harassment rates.
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