I do wonder, why would the Lutheran Witness speak against a perfectly valid choice presented in the hymnal. I do not need LW giving people any excuse for made up fears of RCC "intrusions" in the Church.
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Lutheran. Just Lutheran.
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The Lutheran Witness recently reposted this article and they chose violence: witness.lcms.org/2021/did-vatic…
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@lutheranpeasant One might read this and think you are talking specifically about contemporary worship congregations. I presume you would agree, this afflicts traditional--even self-consciously traditional--congregations as well.
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For churches in the West, the great idol is self. We worship the idea that we are the only generation. We are the only ones to whom the Gospel has been preached. The only ones who have ever worshiped. The only ones who have ever thought about God. The only ones who have thought about human nature.
We are not just ahistorical, but anti-historical, intentionally cutting ourselves off from the past, and making no provision for the future. We live as though the church begins and ends with us, all to make room for the idolization of self we have created.
𝕊𝕠𝕝𝕒 ℂ𝕙𝕒𝕕 🎚️@sola_chad
What’s a golden calf being worshipped in today’s churches?
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@lymanstoneky Hopefully this war with Iran will teach the US the lessons it needs to learn in a relatively low stakes environment. This is the real reason we always need to be at war. . . .
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It does seem to me that the U.S. disengagement from Ukraine means we have also not taken the opportunity to learn as much as we should have.
Malcontent News@MalcontentmentT
Russia launched more Shaheds in 24 hours on Ukraine than Iran has against a 10-nation coalition backed by the US, France, and UK, in 8 days. Russia also launched 35 missiles, 26 of which were intercepted. Two Bastion batteries preparing to launch Zircon hypersonic missiles were also taken out by Ukraine in occupied Crimea during the Russian air raid, including one that was loaded. Ukraine suffered fewer casualties and less damage to critical infrastructure over the day versus the last 8 days in the Middle East, and didn't have to hide where air defense failed to appease fragile political egos. But please, do go on about how prepared the US is for 21st-century warfare.
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Also that does not describe my average parishioner.
Yeah there are guys in the ministry who are soft, unable to deal with emotional stress and conflict, we shouldn't defend such people. But if we compare the ministry to the steel mill it will never stack up cause its different
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My most supportive members are the guys who spent their career working 6 days a week 12 hours a day in the steel mills. But they don't expect me to work like a steel worker, because I am not one. We all have our own callings and it is enough if we each do them well.
The Jolly Brawler@TheJollyBrawler
(Clergy Class) We have the hardest job in the world. That is why sabbaticals are necessary. If we don’t take a sabbatical, we will burn out. The burden is too heavy. You couldn’t understand. (The average Parishioner in the pews) *6 days a week*
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@LutheranSage This is found in his Brevis Institutio Ministrorum Verbi (1623).
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@LutheranSage Friedrich Balduin (1575-1627) [head of the theology faculty in Wittenberg] says the same thing. He reasons that in cases of emergency (plague, war, etc.) the ordination can reasonably be delayed and the pastor can take his office on the basis of the call alone.
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@manofsteeele @CuttotheChase24 Is it wrong to build, update, or maintain buildings for the glory of God?
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@SubstituteS23 @CuttotheChase24 Finding the funding for this would be more of a red flag imo because what about literally anything else
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@RevIsaacWirtz I mean it seems obvious to look at these congregations and say, these people are not as well catechized, they don't believe the same thing about the sacraments, etc., but doing the leg work of actually demonstrating it is hard esp. because they dont value clarity.
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@SubstituteS23 My "style" of preaching involves me facing away from the congregation and whispering. Sure my doctrine is perfect, but my style has prevented its reception and efficacy.
But its style, so "adiaphora", and therefore I am free in Christ to do it, whatever the consequences.
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I believe even adiaphora is important and can be decided wisely or unwisely.
I don't see contemporary styles as just a newer form of worship but rather they are intentionally modeled after other denomination. These denominations have a drastically different theological view, and their worship style reflects and supports that theology.
Because their theology is incompatible with Lutheran theology, their worship style is as well. Generally its a lower view of the sacraments, a lower view of the office of the pastor, and a higher value/view on the experiential or entertainment.
This is why the blood of Christ is in plastic cups, or not present at all, the pastor is dressed as "just some guy" (a 40 year old in faded skinny jeans) without any aspect of uniform to indicate he is ordained and leading the service, and the hymns/liturgy focus on praise bands hyping up a group than teaching deep theology in new or old music, chanting/speaking theology in liturgy.
Many pastors and churches have tried to adapt the Non-denom megachurch style to accomodate the Lutheran faith, but inevitably some aspect of style or substance must give way to fit the other, and which do you think is more likely to be changed?
Augsburg Katholik ☧@OGBURGKATHOLIK
For Lutherans Only. I have a question. Where do you guys stand on contemporary worship style? Do you agree with it totally, or in a limited manner? Do you believe it’s simply adiaphora and therefore should not be regulated, or that it’s much more serious than that? Is it hurting our Churches or helping them? What are your concerns? Please don’t use emotional arguments, but rather explain with fact and reason why you agree or disagree with the practice. Many of you know where I stand. I’m opposed to contemporary services in their current form for a variety of reasons, but I’d like to hear what others think.
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@aaron_renn I am surrounded by houses like this. Rust belt suburb built as the housing development for the city's industry. Half the town is still farmland since the industry crashed as quickly as it was built. Everyone moved away. Now its cheap housing for industry in the neighboring city.
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That house was probably built in the suburbs in the 1960s, and the people who bought them were moving away from the neighborhood where they grew up.
Cigarette Nostalgia@CigsMake
A 30-year-old in 1980 owned a house like this working at the local factory. Married six years with three kids. Weekends meant Little League games. Both sets of grandparents lived within five miles. The kids would attend the same high school he did and grow up with the children of his own friends. This is a dying concept
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@lutheranpeasant @LutheranSage Bad sermons should be kept blessedly short. Short sermons should be art. Long sermons should be the norm. The sermon should always end before the engaged listener wants it to end.
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@LutheranSage 8-10 is too short. It would have to be an unusually good sermon.
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Sermons follow the Scripture readings for a reason....as their purpose should be used to reinforce the teachings of the Scriptures, not add to them, or outshine them.
Perhaps the wisest words Francis ever spoke....👇
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@lisavsworld Yeah when you convert to a new denomination you generally should be quiet for awhile. Can't set hard and fast rules, but St. Paul hit at a good general principle in 1 Ti 3:6 and 5:22.
Often people also leave for one reason and are shocked there are other differences.
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I feel very at home in the LCMS. 99% of the confessional Lutherans I've met in real life have been fantastic. And then I meet some online... many of them converts. And I honestly think they'd be happier as Calvinists.
Lisa@lisavsworld
I criticize new converts to Christianity a lot and include people who move between denominations. I find that they often bring their own way (or old way) of thinking into their new belief system and zealously impose it on others. They view all scripture through that lens and when you advocate for them to appeal to church authority instead of twitter debates, you get pushback every single time. It takes a good 5 to 6 years for them to settle down. I would know. I was a convert over 20 years ago. I remember. Now I can only speak on this matter for the LCMS, but my personal opinion on the topic of converts questioning church authority is... converts should remain silent in churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their nearest authority; for it is disgraceful for a baby believer to speak in church. 😊
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@RevIsaacWirtz @ChristianPunsOG What I find seems to come up the most often is: "yeah they might've sinned against you, but you are in no way innocent here either"
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@ChristianPunsOG In my handful of years pastoring, I don't think I've ever discouraged more prayer, but it's rarely the only thing that needs to be addressed.
"Remember that you are forgiven, remember Jesus died for you"
or alternatively
"Yeah, that's actually sinful, repent."
Come up a bit.
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@OGBURGKATHOLIK @TheDonStein Yeah here the Synod in Convention disagreed with the practical guidance the CTCR set forth. But, to I'm not surprised especially since the argument put forth by the CTCR for this guidance is very weak relative to the impact of what they are recommending.
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See to me that is more confusing than if they had said nothing at all and certain churches just allowed women to read.
Saying they shouldn’t, then following it up and saying it’s free choice just seems like adapting to the cultural times. That in my opinion creates more confusion and divide.
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Lutheran friends only, I have a genuine question out of curiosity, and I’m only asking out of curiosity, not intending to create divide or be contentious.
Does anyone know the exact reason why women are allowed to publicly read the daily scriptures at the divine service of Paul says this..
“For God is not a God of confusion but of peace. As in all the churches of the saints, the women should keep silent in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be in submission, as the Law also says. If there is anything they desire to learn, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church.”
— 1 Corinthians 14:33-35
I’m genuinely curious what the Lutheran understanding of this is, because it would seem to me that public reading of scripture would be encompassed in this command for silence.
Again as I stated, I’m not asking this out of malice, I’m just curious. I’m not bothered by women reading the scriptures.
I’d prefer to hear actual historic interpretations from our theologians, not opinions please.
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@TheDonStein @OGBURGKATHOLIK Okay I put the pieces together now, the CTCR document Women in the Church said women should not do the readings in service because it is liable to foster confusion, but the Convention that followed that up cited the CTCR doc but said it was a matter of free choice w/ no guidance
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@TheDonStein @OGBURGKATHOLIK You know what, I did mix it up. The synod convention said women shouldn't distribute communion. It never made a statement about the readings as far as I am aware. My apologies.
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