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@Zeev81309558 @EinatWilf German Jews who "left voluntarily" after the Nazis came to power are allowed to return to Germany today. Both Palestinians and Jews left out justifiable fear.

@EinatWilf 1. Among the 700k, 500k moved nearby - to Gaza and WB (Imagine an Israeli claiming refugee status by moving 100 km from Haifa to Tel Aviv). 2. Descendants of refugees are NOT refugees. 3. Most left voluntarily. They turned it into a cosmic victimhood, to perpetuate the conflict

"Ongoing" - One of the phrases increasingly used next to the term "Nakba" is "Ongoing" as in the recent proposal by Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib. Now westerners assume that the "ongoing" seeks to highlight continued suffering of Palestinian Arabs, but as with so many other phrases that serve as "dual use language" (as Eran Shayshon coined) is that the deep meaning is very different. Once it is known and understood that the real time meaning of the Nakba, as described by Constantin Zureiq as "Seven Arab states declare war in an attempt to subdue Zionism, stop impotent before it, and return on their heels" was the shameful failure to defeat the lowly Jews in war - it becomes crystal clear why it remains "ongoing": As long as Israel exists, the Arab, and especially Palestinian Arab shameful failure to dismantle Jewish sovereignty and "subdue Zionism" remains "ongoing". As long as, per Bevin's quote, the top goal of the Palestine Arabs "to resist to the last the establishment of Jewish sovereignty in any part of the land" remains unfulfilled, their definition of disaster remains "ongoing". In the updated book of The War of Return, "October Return", @Adi_Schwartz and I included a dictionary of sort to explore this dual use language. I share it here with you: "This becomes especially clear when analyzing the language of Palestinian identity and that of its supporters around the world. Terms such as “two states,” “justice,” “return,” and “rights” carry one meaning in dialogue between Palestinians and Westerners or Israelis—but an entirely different meaning within internal Palestinian discourse. "Take “two states,” for example. During the years of negotiations, Palestinian leaders—and many surveys—expressed support for the “two-state solution.” Israelis and Westerners reasonably assumed that this meant one state for Palestinian Arabs and one for Jews. In retrospect, we should have checked. For when Palestinians speak of “two states,” they also maintain that millions of Palestinian “refugees” have a right to settle inside Israel. The implication is that the phrase “two states” actually means a Palestinian Arab state in the West Bank and Gaza, alongside a second Arab-majority state that replaces Israel via the mass return of refugees. In effect: “this one is ours, and that one is also ours.” "To this day, no official Palestinian peace plan includes the recognition of a Jewish state on any part of the land between the river and the sea. "It is also worth examining the meaning of a word like “justice”—so frequently invoked in phrases like “a just peace,” “a just solution,” or in the names of organizations such as “Students for Justice in Palestine.” To many in the world, “justice” may simply mean that Palestinians should have a state of their own, or that Israel should not control their daily lives. That is a reasonable interpretation. But it is not the Palestinian one. "For Palestinians, there is only one concept of justice: the reversal of the injustice they associate with the creation of the State of Israel. And central to that “corrective justice” is return—which, by definition, entails the end of Israel as the nation-state of the Jewish people. "The same applies to words like “rights,” “liberation,” and, of course, “return.” As will become clear in the pages ahead, there is no ambiguity: “return” is the concept that embodies victory over the Jewish state and its elimination. "That is why the butcherty of October 7 was greeted with euphoria."

@ShaykhSulaiman Now do it per capita.

Most of these arrests are for speaking against Israel and Zionism.

@Amir__Gol @baum_p Once again: The "1st Arab" appearance has nothing to do with 🇵🇸 indigeneity. The genetics prove they've been living in the area since the Bronze Age. And NONE of the offers involved true sovereignty. Israel's so-called security" requirements ALWAYS denied real sovereignty.

@SueGreenwald @baum_p in 1937, 1948, 2000, 2001 and 2008 and refused all offers. As for indigenousity, Jews have been living continuously in Palestine for thousands of years, long before the 1st Arab ever came there. They are indigenous. You don't lose your indigenousity when an invader outnumber you.

In 1977, the head of the PLO's military department gave an interview to a Dutch newspaper and said something that should have changed everything. He said Palestinian identity is emphasized for political reasons only. That a separate Palestinian identity exists for tactical reasons. That there are no real differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese. His name was Zuher Mohsin. He wasn't a dissident. He wasn't breaking ranks. He was one of the architects of the movement and he said the quiet part out loud. Eight years earlier, Golda Meir had said the same thing and been destroyed for it. But that's not even the beginning of the story. The PLO was founded in 1964. Three years before Israel controlled the West Bank or Gaza. Whatever it was built to liberate, it wasn't land Israel acquired in 1967. Before Arafat, there was no Palestinian national identity. Not because the people weren't real. Because the identity hadn't been built yet. And Arafat built it the same way you build a city — founding story first, then institutions, symbols, a flag, a claim of ancient dispossession, and enough foreign funding to make it stick. The full piece is up on Substack (Link in comments). It starts with a fable. It ends with the only question that actually matters. ( Credit Melissa Steinberg Brodsky )

@Amir__Gol @baum_p The genetics disproves the hasbara arguments that 🇵🇸s came from Saudi Arabia or Egypt. Since the historical record shows them in Palestine and the genetics prove that today's 🇵🇸s have been in the region since the Bronze Age, we have sufficient proof that they are indigenous.

@SueGreenwald @baum_p Levant is quite a large area. You don't stop being indigenous when an invader out numbers you.

@shar90978 @Amir__Gol @baum_p And here's another one: Excerpt: "Israel ranked at the bottom of a global nation branding index for a second straight year" #google_vignette" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">ynetnews.com/article/rjrcfd…

@SueGreenwald @Amir__Gol @baum_p 2/ I have no idea which "polls" you're referring to. Are you being vague on purpose? Sorry to burst your bubble but Israel's survival isn't dependant on her likeability factor! 58 years ago ⬇️

@shar90978 @Amir__Gol @baum_p There are a number of polls showing Israel's image at rock bottom. Here is the most recent: x.com/ShibleyTelhami…

@Amir__Gol @baum_p My ancestors were culturally Jewish and genetically mixed. I'm "from" the United States.

@SueGreenwald @baum_p Really? So you're not indigenous to Israel and also not to Europe? Where are you from, then? Why doesn't indigenousity survive 2,000 years? Does it mean we just have to wait until the Palestinians are no longer indigenous?

@shar90978 @Amir__Gol @baum_p I see. Melanie Phillips is your authority. LOL

@SueGreenwald @Amir__Gol @baum_p 1/ Multiculturalism creates fragmented societies, prevents the assimilation of immigrants, and can lead to cultural conflict and the erosion of fundamental democratic values. Strangely, the most assimilated and secular Jews are multiculturalists! youtu.be/CiaA87uZdQ0?si…

@shar90978 @Amir__Gol @baum_p I hate to tell you, but it was the Zionists who prioritized building their ethnostate over saving European Jews. And it's clear that you know nothing about Arab-Americans and their culture.

@SueGreenwald @Amir__Gol @baum_p 1/During WW2 there were German JEWS who supported the Nazi party. Meanwhile American JEWish leaders feared that prioritizing efforts to rescue European Jews would inflame domestic antisemitism. These days American JEWS attend functions run by the Muslim Brotherhood linked CAIR.

@shar90978 @Amir__Gol @baum_p Most young Jews in the United States today are secular and highly assimilated, and love living in a multicultural country. Polls show 🇮🇱 to be the least liked country in the world today. Since this does not bode well for 🇮🇱's future, you might want to try to understand why.

@SueGreenwald @Amir__Gol @baum_p It's worth pointing out that Jews who supported the Nazi Party and the Jews who support Islamo-Nazis today were/are typically secular and highly assimilated. Go figure! For more details isgap.org/flashpoint/fro…

@shar90978 @Amir__Gol @baum_p Silly ideology. Yes, indigeneity expires after 2,000 years of absence, and no, Jews are not the only ethnic group denied "self-determination" -- not when you define "self-determination" to be your exclusive ethnostate. Most ethnic groups don't have their own ethnostates.

@SueGreenwald @Amir__Gol @baum_p 4/ For more details jewishjournal.com/commentary/opi…

@shar90978 @Amir__Gol @baum_p Well, many of us feel that racist, ethnic-cleansing Jews have thrown the rest of us under the bus. There's no question that the younger generation of U.S. Jews are largely sympathetic to the Palestinians.

@SueGreenwald @Amir__Gol @baum_p 3/These days many people who self-identify as being "Jewish" use their Jewish identity to promote false narratives about Jewish indigeniety in order to deligitimise the Jewish homeland. SG is just another "Jew" who gets off on throwing other Jews under the bus. So what's new?!

@shar90978 @Amir__Gol @baum_p Absolutely. Many of our local electeds attended the annual CAIR events. They were very enjoyable. Great vibes, great food.

@SueGreenwald @Amir__Gol @baum_p 2/DAVIS COMMUNITY HOSTS 6TH ANNUAL COMMUNITY IFTAR The event was attended by various public officials including Davis City Mayor Sue Greenwald. For more details cair.com/press_releases…

@UdsiAsli @muhammadshehad2 @abierkhatib It just makes it much harder to challenge.

@SueGreenwald @muhammadshehad2 @abierkhatib “Both sides” says it all

🚨This short film exposes the true story of Israel's creation, entirely through the words of its own founders For decades, Israel’s lies have been carefully designed to demonize its victims. To ensure that no matter the crimes it commits, the children it slaughters, the world remains incapable of empathy for Palestinians, or at best, treats it with the same apathy that has allowed this to go on for as long as it has On the 78th anniversary of its creation, it's time the world knew that Israel's past is not different from the brutal present the world is finally seeing

@UdsiAsli @muhammadshehad2 @abierkhatib Because if both sides agree on the facts when being candid, it's a much more compelling case.

@muhammadshehad2 @abierkhatib Why do you have to cite historians who are Jewish

@Amir__Gol @baum_p You clearly don't understand the definition of hypocrisy. The world wants to see you grant full citizenship rights to the 🇵🇸s, as every other settler-colonial country has eventually done for its indigenous people. You had your chance to grant 🇵🇸 a real state, but you blew it.

@SueGreenwald @baum_p Citizenship and reparations justifies land theft and genocide? Leave, otherwise you're just a hypocrite.

@Amir__Gol @baum_p Rabin told the Knesset that he had offered the 🇵🇸 "less than a state". The 🇵🇸 s were NEVER offered a true state, with real sovereignty and a fair share of contiguous land. And of course, they wanted the option of returning to places they had been expelled from. Anyone would.

@SueGreenwald @baum_p occupied them. They refused all statehood offers since. They clearly don't want a state, they want the Jews not to have a state.

@Amir__Gol @baum_p Again, if a minority ethnic group decided they wanted to turn my country into their own ethnostate, I would react the way the 🇵🇸s did. Jabotinsky tried to explain that in 1923. You should reread "The Iron Wall" carefully, with an open mind. And then apply today's standards.

@SueGreenwald @baum_p How is any of that relevant? The Palestinians didn't seek a state in 1948 either. When the PLO was established in 1964, they explicitly said they have no claim to Gaza and the West Bank, which were held at the time by Arabs, they only started claiming them in 1968, after Israel

@Amir__Gol @baum_p Weak. There are more streets named after Jabotinsky in Israel than Herzl or Ben-Gurion. But Herzl and Ben-Gurion also explicitly referred to Zionism as a colonial project. And no. Jews who have some ancestors who left Israel 2,000 years ago are not indigenous.

@SueGreenwald @baum_p Jabotinsky was in minority. How did those Zionists came to Europe? Where did they originated from? They are just as indigenous as the Palestinians, if not more so.

@adam_louis52328 @wickdchiq Jabotinsky himself laid out the "theory" of settler-colonialism. He described the Zionists as colonizers and the Palestinians as the indigenous people. He wrote: "Zionist colonisation must either stop, or else proceed regardless of the native population."

It’s based on a small cabal of antizionist academics using a single theory—settler-colonialism. Widespread academic malpractice, peer pressure, professional threats and silencing were used to push the genocide libel. The genocide libel is part of antizionist ideology going back decades.

“Jewish Currents editor-in-chief Arielle Angel. "Israelis have committed genocide. This needs to be accepted. There needs to be truth and reconciliation. Until that happens, I feel it's my job to help spur the divorce." apple.news/AF6H9XYpjQhCD4…