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Witwer with the creative team confirmed Maul was exhausted and his damaged leg hindered his performance against Vader, plus Vader used The Inquisitors to record Maul, to have him studied when the duel would happen, and Maul still gave an unexpectedly fight youtu.be/ZYzyZynpUlY

@capybarafan2209 What was already stated by Filoni was that Vader was on full killing mode, silently because he was there to destroy and fulfill his mission, without personal opinions on the matter. Your other imaginary statement is false, Dave never said Vader will beat Maul in any situation.

@TarkLev Vader held back and is already stated by filoni to be able to defeat maul easily in any situation. Maul will never be on vaders level

Daily reminder than Maul alone held his own against Vader while having a broken leg + suffering from prior injuries + exhausted and still survived several minutes of duel. Had he been fine like in Episode 4 where he defeated Daki easily, it would have been epic to see.

@vos661 @retneysholocron Worst thing is that from a story-telling standpoint, the stories of George about Ahsoka were always better for her character and challenging, Filoni only throws flowers to her + makes her boring. Both Maul fight and Ahsoka beating her first Inquisitor was better in George script.

@TarkLev @retneysholocron Yeah, the difference between Ahsoka vs Maul in the Ahsoka novel, based on the original script, and the TCW S7 rewritten by Filoni is jarring. Ahsoka runs from Maul in the novel, and traps him in ray shields with the help of clones. She doesn't 1v1 him

It’s interesting that a lot of the established lore around Maul, especially in the EU, stated that he was incredibly powerful and one of the greatest fighters in the history of the Sith. But in his actual story he constantly fails and gets beaten.

@retneysholocron @vos661 Example, did not want to bring back Maul, he was in disagreement with give him Mandalore, wanted to kill him to Sidious but George forbid it, openly stated he prefered animate Sister Martel to SoD, and Siege of Mandalore is George story, only thing Filoni changed? Ahsoka vs Maul.

@retneysholocron @vos661 What you said starts in Rebels. Until George Maul had a success strike in TCW, and when he failed to Sidious, was supposed to recover all back until Post-Empire Era. The Maul is a tragic character is a Filoni idea, who mind you, always was in disagreement with George as peer Maul

@frankth21691222 And yes, The Inquisitor was shown too powerful, that was simply because Ahsoka when written by Filoni is unreliable. She has fought to Grievous, Ventress, Maul, Vader, even ROTS Anakin in series, never was shown bad, but in all instances there are elements forced to justify it

@frankth21691222 20 seconds, and you act as If it changed something, Daki was getting gradually worst through the fight, and Vader every so second strike some kind of injury, Vader was fully to the kill all the time, when he get cut he was enranged, but Daki consistently show same performance.

@frankth21691222 Are you joking? An older, mentally unestable, past prime Maul with a cane, that says he is nothing compared to his prime self and admitted he spended years trapped, without sun, resources and surviving due the force, seems like a fully rested Maul?

@TarkLev Also Maul in rebels fully rested with no injuries flat out told them he was no match for Vader 🤷🏿‍♂️

@frankth21691222 I will repeat, Had you not noticed until now that your entire reasoning against Maul needs exclusivily to contradict the source material, basic narrative + the authors themselves? (you no longer answer to the arguments I debunk it seems, you just change it). Maul was holding back

@TarkLev This is the same guy that lost to teenage Ashoka

@frankth21691222 None said Vader loses against Maul either, just that the fight would be much closer, your case of "Rebels Maul" literally aids nothing into your own argument, Maul admitted being past his prime after being years imprisoned in Malachor, and he still proposed killing him with help.

@frankth21691222 But I will let you clear so we get over with this. Maul had a broken leg, was exhausted and injured and still held his own against Vader for minutes, one that Filoni confirmed going for the kill, and Sam said this weakness was studied by Vader, to kill and avoid his escape.

@frankth21691222 Filoni confirmed Sidious struggling and you literally have Sidious being kicked by Maul once and suffering in the clash, also confirmed that Maul did better than all The Council saved Windu. Is not that we think different, you ignore the narrative + writers to desmerit Maul.

@TarkLev You watched the Sidious vs Maul and Oppress fight and you REALLY thought Sidious struggled? There is no point in arguing with you then because we clearly view things differently.

@frankth21691222 Next time you came playing the smart aleck, check your sources and your arguments forehand.

@frankth21691222 Daki was indeed exhausted, this was visible shown, that added that Maul was not just exhausted, also literally shown, but that he had a leg broken. Funny of you to bring Maul vs Sidious, since Sidious is stronger than Vader, and as peer Filoni, Maul did Sidious struggle

@frankth21691222 Not to mention that your statement contradicts Vader character core, and Dave Filoni himself that stated Vader came to exterminate Maul going for the kill, and Sam who also added that he had The Inquisitors investigate Maul. You came late to the discussion.

@frankth21691222 Could you be this dense? Vader was not having fun with Luke in ESB, he was holding back because he wanted Luke to his side, literally begging him, he was not having fun and as peer George one of the few sparks of Anakin resurrected, otherwise Vader would have killed him.

@capybarafan2209 @retneysholocron Charles Soule also answered that TCW Maul would be too much to any Vader in his first years, but I am talking about Kieron Gillen, who wrote Vader as suprassing Anakin in the first year, as crazy as it sounds, it is the version they are following in Shadow Lord.

@TarkLev @retneysholocron Only after lords of the sith did he surpass pre suit Vader and Charles soule confirmed Vader is weak during the first few years as Vader due to not adapting as Vader, crsyx to think in a year he overcame everything

They specifically kept Vader completely silent to show that he wasn't even trying 🔥

@capybarafan2209 @retneysholocron In the first months Vader had discarded the old suit and made himself a new one to his needs, developed his Form V variation, and trained The Inquisitors. As peer Sidious, he is more powerful than Anakin post-Padme death, only Legends Vader took years to recover into good shape.

@TarkLev @retneysholocron Like what

This sounds fine and all, the problem is that it is a random blog from SW site which Lucas Film Story Group clarified they have no value otherwise than personal opinions, and the fact that both Dave Filoni and Sam Witwer in two instances clarified Vader was fighting for the kill.

@timAcatsoftpaws Sam Witwer clarifies the same as Filoni in the final episode interview. Maul downscalers would go to the point to search in cereal boxes to search something that makes Maul look bad. youtube.com/watch?v=ZYzyZy…

This was contradicted by Filoni stating he was silent for the opposite effect during the Q&A. He's a machine who's focused on destroying everything in front of him. He sees a Jedi, which reminds him of Anakin, and has to destroy it. And his fighting style was modelled on the OT.